[grafmax]

IMO US vs Chinese data vacuuming is a false choice. One of the main benefits of these open weights models is that you can get the privacy and cost savings by hosting your own model in cloud infrastructure.

Open weights models are only 4.5 months behind closed weight ones.

The fact that US considers propping its flagship technology by blacklisting competitors demonstrates how small the US competitive advantage really is.

[bjackman]

Hosting DeepSeek Pro yourself is gonna be wildly expensive though?

You have a wide choice of providers available, so if you can find one you trust you can get inference without data harvesting and it's still very cheap. But dedicated HW is insanely inefficient.

Opus estimates you can do it for $13k/month if you get committed pricing on the HW.

[FinnKuhn]

I guess this depends on the scale you are planning. For big multinational cooperations that calculation could look different.

[neuroelectron]

The USA has an entire economic system to financialize your personal data and obfuscate your privacy. China can just sniff on their citizens API Calls, and use that to distill models.

[limflick]

>obfuscate your privacy.

Edward Snowden says hello.

[pbhjpbhj]

They could just be flagging that they're considering blacklisting as a way to get some more Trump coin sold or other bribes. Or indeed to get further money from USA companies - which way will Trump decide, only the numbers in his family's bank accounts can give us a clue.