[WarmWash]

If Chinese LLMs are successfully making people in the west defend China, then I think we have all the evidence we need to explain why they are giving away their models.

The next step of course will be to get people using that ungodly cheap AI on Chinese servers. Which will also be defended because "I would never trust an American Lab".

[FuckButtons]

It’s not like this is a new tactic, china has been very successful at wiping out competition by undercutting them using state subsidies in many sectors of the economy.

[impalallama]

The smallest violin in the world for Sam Altman, and Musk

[PunchyHamster]

I feel like it's less "defend china" but more "don't wanna have US have monopoly on it"

[beepbooptheory]

I understand it's supposed to be obvious to all of us, but maybe just for fun, can you follow through? What is the next step in the nefarious plan?

[WarmWash]

They would be looking to do large scale espionage, whether it be corporate secrets or personal secrets. They know people just carelessly dump everything into the LLM to solve.(Yes, I am aware you can run their models locally/locally hosted, it's called soft power, look at endless glazing, it works).

China is an ethnonationalist authoritarian dictatorship. It wants the position in the world that the US has, sans the diversity and democracy. The party knows best and the Han are the purest. They're not a post-scarcity utopia sharing the promised vision of marxist communisn, but I suppose it's forgivable for thinking that if your only knowledge of China is "Well they give me AI for free!".

[stackbutterflow]

The present US administration and its backers don't want diversity, democracy and non-whites. Where does that leave non-Chinese and non-US citizens ?

[WarmWash]

Waiting until the next election, mid-terms are in a few months.

[mft_]

In your take, why are they producing and giving away such good local models? Mindshare? Promotion?

[riskd]

Jesus Christ you are FULLY brainwashed.

[miroljub]

As a European, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American. Cloud act did it for me.

[uberex]

I trust them as a cloud less than US but don't completely trust US.

[tranceylc]

Canadian, and I also agree. It’s hard to avoid but I try not to use any American service or data storage.

[14u2c]

And that's fine of course, but it's worth noting that you're making a decision driven by emotion rather than data.

[villish]

Both China and the US can compel businesses to hand over data. There is no reason to trust any service that doesn't have strong built in privacy.

[Vasbarlog]

It’s not China that is threatening to annex Greenland though.

[miroljub]

Yes, but China can't arrest me if they don't like what they see in my data.

USA and its vassals can.

[c03]

Same

[vzcx]

As an American, I trust Chinese AI providers more than American.

[WarmWash]

The chinese providers are just the CCP. They don't even need a cloud act...

[dryarzeg]

I think too many people are conflating Chinese providers with Chinese models - you can easily have Chinese models safely (well, relatively safely, I guess) hosted on US or EU infrastructure.

[crims0n]

Case in point, Microsoft just announced it is toying with the idea of using DeepSeek as a cheaper model tier in CoPilot. They are hosting the model themselves.

[DANmode]

Interested in the reply to this.

[varispeed]

Funny that Europe starts to become China, just without the manufacturing and growth. I can see why people like them.