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by grebc 4 days ago
If you think there’s a better use it’s a free market. It’s even up for lease, you don’t even need to buy it ;)
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no, i can't. the rent is to high. which means the rent is not market-rate. the free market was supposed to correct that, but it doesn't, so maybe this is not a free market after all.
You’re correct in that you don’t want to transact.

Everything else is your own opinion, which of course is fine.

if my business doesn't make enough profit then i literally can't. that's not an opinion or a choice. that's a fact of life. and if noone is willing to pay that much rent whether they could afford it or not, then the rent is not market-rate. that's not an opinion. that's how market-rate is defined. it is what the market is willing to pay.
That’s the free market in action. You can’t afford something, so you don’t buy it.
You are failing to look beyond the effects of one individual transaction. No snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche.
you are missing the point, i don't care if i can buy this or not. i care that the street is attractive to people. if i do have a shop in the street (because i can actually afford it) then i care even more because if the street is not attractive then that is hurting my business.

the problem is not that i can't afford it. the problem is that NOBODY can afford it. free market rules then suggest that the value of that thing goes down and thus the price should go down too if the building owner has any interest in selling that thing.

and here is where the free market idea causes a conflict, because if they don't have an interest to sell then their interest and the city's interests are misaligned and the city should force the building-owner out.

or, you could also argue that the city itself is a market participant, because the city owns the land the shops are built on, and it leases or sells that land with specific expectations, namely that shops are built and rented out. if the renting out does not happen then the city's contract with the builder is violated and the city should have a right to take action.

Yes I understand your point - you are just a commentator with no actual interest in the matter hand. Not an owner, not a tenant, just some random stranger strolling on the street thinking other people should do something because you think it's the greater good.

Now you're proposing a different ownership model completely or that a government/city should be able to force a legal owner out of their legally owned property?

Honestly I think you need to back up and really consider what you're proposing.

real estate must be the worst thing to use as an argument for "it's a free market" - because its one of the types of things which every stock is it's own, truly unique monopoly. I can't "freely" produce the same commercial property, unless I already own that property.
Commercial property is only unique in number on a street location factor.

Plenty of the same type of commercial properties exist right next to each other, happily too.

in order to join that market you have to buy at the inflated prices on the market, since current owners refuse to sell for a loss, there's nothing you can do as an individual to make this cheaper unless you already own the land.

Location still matters, as it does for residential, proximity to employees, or customers is important.

Zoning restricts what land can do what.

There's many reasons why this isn't a "free market"

The people advocating for change in this situation likely advocated for all the impediments you’re providing as to reasons why it’s not supposedly a free market.

Someone bought an asset they could afford to hold in bad times. End of story.

There's something wrong with the structure of the market if people are holding assets they don't need that others could make better use of.
As stated earlier: it’s a free market and you’re free to make an offer of sale or lease to utilise the space.