[benjiro29]

GLM 5.2 Max = Opus 4.8 Max in thinking behavior. The thinking chain is so similar, and so is the amount of token usage on the output.

If you want reasonable token usage, you need to run it GLM 5.2 at High. There is little drop in quality from Max to High (for most tasks). And it cuts token usage by 2 a 2.5x. GLM 5.2, Max is really something you only need for complex tasks.

In essence, GLM 5.2 is Opus 4.8 its little brother, at a way, WAY cheaper price.

There has been really no training on Opus models going on, really, none i tell you! /sarcasm

[vitalyan123]

distillation of thinking models is not particularly effective - both "Open"AI and Misanthropic don't show you the real chain of thought, only its severely downscaled version. both do everything in their power to combat such outrageous copyright infringement, so the bulk of unethically scrapped data the Chinese have is from several generations ago.

[overfeed]

FYI: model outputs are not protected by copyright.

[duskdozer]

>such outrageous copyright infringement

Sarcasm, considering the source of their own training data?

[margalabargala]

Considering they called the company "Misanthropic", sarcasm is a safe bet.

[orphea]

Narrator: it was sarcasm, indeed.

[baron3dl]

IP for me, not thee.

[ComputerGuru]

Supposedly there are “jailbreaks” that expose considerably more of the thinking traces.

[mannanj]

The companies that did copyright infringement and unethically scrapped data think that copyright infringement and unethically scrapping data is wrong and needs to be stopped.

Though only in particular situations, like when it’s done to them and not when they do it. Cause they have the power and are morally right and know better than you. And if you question this at all, well you’re a threat to American values and a supporter of the Chinese and leading to the break down of Democracy.

This isn’t a type of reasoning argument or manipulation tactic used by the rich throughout history to trick the naive and gullible masses or anything like that. Trust me, I’m rich and I’m morally right. /sarcasm