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And I don't care about the occasional "overwhelmed by the form" left tail of the curve,

but I do totally care about having here an environment that is _substantially_ civilized.

That implies that the discussion must be carried out with respect and effort - actual, factual respect. In that context, shallow dismissals include "hit and run" (downvote and do not substantiate unless perfectly evident), "sneer" (the same) etc.

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Oh, incidentally:

> We are at staggeringly low levels of general civilization and ### even push it

there is a downfall of civilization in the "western" world at least, and you are focusing at the cursing. Look at it: it makes no sense. It is not even part of the accused phenomenon - whereas the shallowness of the relations is (downfall of the societal exchange).