[smallstepforman]

The 6809 (and its clone the 6502) would also be strong contendors. And if Motorola were 6 months faster with the successor 68000 compared to Intels 8086, the IBM PC would be 68000 based and Intel would today be known as a memory chip company. We’d be big endian with no legacy in 2026 of segmented memory architecture in mainstream processors. And with big 3 companies using 68000 (IBM, Apple and C=), we definately wouldnt have WinTel.

[rswail]

That was the 1980s, PDP-11s were the 1970s.

[mrandish]

The influence was what the people who learned computing in the 70s on PDP-11s at university, went on to do with what they'd learned in the 80s.

Also, the 6809 shipped in 1978. Little known fact, the Macintosh was going to be based on the 6809 and Jef Raskin's team had 6809 Mac prototypes running before Steve got Motorola to drop their price on the 68000 (in part because Moto was panicked over losing out on the PC).

[rswail]

Agreed, just saying that the PDPs were where a lot of the people developing micro computers cut their teeth eg CP/M looks a lot like RT-11.

Minicomputers like the PDP-11 begat microcomputers around 8080s, Z80s, 6509s, 6502s.

"Home" microcomputers started around 1977/78 with the Apple ][ and TRS-80 and PET.

[mrandish]

For sure, by volume the impact of the PDP-11 was almost entirely through micros and workstations because they were taking over so fast. Although, Unix and C did spread like wildfire from the PDP-11 to other minis. In fact, C was originally created for porting Unix.

In terms of timing, the PDP-11 shipped in early 1970 and was an immediate best-seller. Back then, students didn't get much hands-on computer time until their final two years so by the mid-70s its influence was already being felt. The 6809 was being designed in 1975 and the architecture was clearly inspired by the PDP-11's orthogonal ISA, interrupts stack handling, etc.

[classichasclass]

The 6502 isn't a 6809 clone; it was largely inspired by the 6800.

[smallstepforman]

My mistake. I remember reading the C= book “on the edge” and there was a chapter about how 3 chip designers at motorola couldnt get management to pursue low cost version of 6800, so they made 6502 in a startup called MOS in 1975.

[smallstepforman]

While I’m on alternative histories, if Jack Tramiel didn’t piss off Chuck Peddle, it would be MOS/C= in Intels pisition today.

[timbit42]

How so?