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by EmiDub 1 day ago
> Cost of revenue is lower than revenue.

I’m not sure how people are looking at numbers that show, even if we wipe off the enormous R&D expenditures, they are still in the red for inference + sales/marketing + admin and responding “this seems positive”.

It’s like being a sold a car and being told “well if you ignore the fact it has no engine it’s a good buy” yet it also has no wheels.

> Unless there's an assumption that R&D costs have to forever go up in order to increase revenue, I feel like this shows that the AI industry is actually on a path to profitability in the long term.

There are three futures right, I’ll rank them in order of fantasy -

1. Someone achieves AGI. At that point the economics of an individual company don’t even matter.

2. R&D costs do have to forever continue, because LLMs can be continually iteratively improved. Much like chip development, there is no end in sight, at least not on a near term timescale. If you are not continually at the frontier, customers will use a competitor or open/local alternatives.

3. LLMs reach a plateau of functionality. Further gains are minimal, quality reaches the apex of what the technology permits. In this scenario the hyperscalers have no business because open/local models will rapidly reach that same plateau as well.

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The leaked numbers completely ignore how much of their compute is subsidized.

It also ignores how much of "R&D" is actually needed for the thing they offer to keep working. Looking at the thread everyone seems to be presuming "R&D" is all "training new models", but that is uncertain.