[aamoscodes]

You can pay, and also use deepseek-v4-flash. OpenRouter even lets you "block" or limit your usage to providers that don't train on data. Since the weights are open, other companies are already serving the model on non-DeepSeek owned hardware: https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash

[fc417fc802]

> OpenRouter even lets you "block" or limit your usage to providers that don't train on data.

More than that, they have various zero data retention options and provide a convenient json list of them.

[larodi]

The fact OpenRouter strips https to reroute screams danger already.

[fc417fc802]

What do you mean? Are you objecting that they communicate with the provider on your behalf? But how else would you design such a system?

Plumbing you straight through would require nonstandard certificate juggling and they wouldn't be able to implement their core service of providing a standardized API nor could they transparently route your request to the fastest / cheapest / whatever provider on the fly nor could they implement transparent fallback nor could they implement their policy of not billing you if the response from the provider is invalid.

Also the chosen provider could fingerprint your network stack if you communicated directly. The routing service is acting as a proxy and for most providers fully anonymizes requests (it does send a stable uid to some of them though).

[larodi]

Precisely this. That somehow is okay to put your trust into man in the middle. To your comment how you do it - yes it is difficult to do it right, but not impossible.

[rapind]

Good to know. I hadn't checks since early is DS4's launch when they were the only provide (I think maybe there was one other, but they also trained on your data). I see several private options now.