[danielmarkbruce]

No one said anything about learning everything before doing anything, and nobody suggested they were told to do it or how they did it.

And, bad engineers can become good ones. All the good ones were terrible at some point....

[apsurd]

Yes, the main issue I had was regarding how anyone can get good without first being bad. Your comment highlighted a very particular worst engineer persona, as if there was an obvious way they could have avoided it preemptively.

Since we’re talking about learning in particular, my callout is it’s in no way helpful to shame people that aren’t good at something. It’s counterproductive.