[sajithdilshan]

Political landscape of the US right now will change in few years like it has been changing for the last 250 years. USA does not equate to its current political situation. But EU would keep on rotting from inside and I would eat my hat if Mistral doesn’t go out of business in next 5 years

[noddybear]

It’s an interesting contrast that you claim that the USA does not equate to its current political situation, whereas conversely the EU is ‘rotting’ from the inside. Do you think this is a balanced and reasonable claim?

[sajithdilshan]

it is a reasonable claim. Trump would be gone in few years and the constitution guarantees it. What does EU has? more bureaucrats? EU doesn't even has a constitution and yet it interfere with the politics of sovereign nations till they bend the knee to Brussels

[lava_pidgeon]

There is a constant change in politicians and parties and views among people (hello 2022!) about policy topics inside the EU all the time. Do you seriously think politics in the EU stays the same?

[sajithdilshan]

It absolutely has. It's always more regulation, more bureaucracy and more red tapes. They are just creating more barriers to keep themselves employed and to expand the reach of their authority.

[mnewme]

Actually right now the reverse is happening. GDPR will become easier there is simplification coming, there will be less national goldplating

[sajithdilshan]

They have been discussing that for years, but still nothing happened. At the rate of the bureaucracy it would take few more years to even draft the laws to ease GDPR

[weakened_malloc]

> I would eat my hat if Mistral doesn’t go out of business in next 5 years

Hope you're hungry. The Mistral are going to what most great European companies are good at - regulatory arbitrage. They're going to insert themselves everywhere within EU (French govt, etc) and extract value that way whilst delivering subpar services to what open weight Chinese models can deliver. Honestly they'll probably be profitable before most other AI providers are simply because there's very little pressure to improve models.

[sajithdilshan]

It could be true that French government might use it, but I hardly think Germans or Italians or any other government would trust Mistral or use it. Even though they are part of EU, they still don’t trust each other completely when it comes to national security and sharing intelligence. I can easily imagine BND fine tuning some Chinese model or still relying on American models

[HDThoreaun]

There will always be a place for domestically sourced AI I think. Even if Mistral models suck theyll get enough defense revenue that they wont go out of business

[sajithdilshan]

Sums up EU in a nutshell, if it cannot compete in the open market, fund it by tax payers money (defence budgets are funded by tax payers money)

[mnewme]

They do in many other areas. Look at ASML or look at chemicals

[HDThoreaun]

I mean US is doing the same thing with intel so not like this is EU exclusive

[sajithdilshan]

You cannot be seriously comparing Mistral to Intel. Intel might be falling behind right now, but they were pioneers in 90s and 2000s. When has Mistral ever been a pioneer on anything?

[mnewme]

Actually at MoE. Though Deepseek took that approach and improved it by a lot.