[WarmWash]

Yes, that is correct.

Land ownership is determined by your ability to defend it. If you can get a coalition to take down Israel, the land is yours to do whatever you want with it. That is how it works, if you want land, have big guns or big friends.

[sosomoxie]

I'm sure this will come to fruition once the boomers are gone as everyone else is extremely anti-Israel.

Curious if you apply your "might makes right" logic to Nazis? By your argument they did nothing wrong, just exercised strength.

[WarmWash]

Nothing I said has any bearing on morality or correctness.

It's also not my logic anymore than the wind stoking a forest fire is my logic. It's just shitty thing that is true. On the global stage, where there is no higher power to appeal to (none of these fools god's exists), your land is only what you can defend with either might or diplomacy. This is a (very shitty, but very real) natural law that exists in the universe we were born into (aliens might decide they want Earth one day). If you run a country, and fail at both of those things, you likely will not being running a country for long.

[sosomoxie]

We evolved "morality" for a reason. I do agree that Israel has clearly demonstrated to the world that they'll need to be stopped by force though.

[WarmWash]

I mean, here you are agreeing that Israel needs to be stopped by force. An army assembled to go in and kill Israeli soldiers until Palestine is free. See how quick that "morality" flies out the window?

Diplomacy and guns, that's all there is. Morality comes later, if ever at all.

[sosomoxie]

It’s absolutely the moral choice to end Israel. Just like apartheid South Africa. Israel just happens to be much worse and much more belligerent with much more control over the rest of the world. They created a situation where the moral option is their complete destruction.