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by spwa4 11 days ago
Why are there always so many conspiracy theories around the Israeli government. I mean, I'm sure one or two hold water. But the vast majority ...

And an even bigger mystery: why are there never conspiracy theories about hamas and the PLA? I mean, hamas is a conspiracy. There's no serious doubt about that. Obviously while there is a problem in Israel, Palestinians aren't behind hamas, unless they get very well paid. Many very bad state actors support Palestinian organizations, going back a loooong time. The PLA was created with the help of the KGB, imagine that. That's not a theory, that's a fact. Iran supports hamas. Qatar supports hamas. I mean, for hamas there's no doubt. It very much is a conspiracy, against Israel, against Jews (the KGB are the authors of "the protocols of the elders of zion" and the source of the whole Jews wanting to massacre the world theory) and against "the west" in general. China, massacres muslims and "reeducates" them in China, with hamas support btw, and supports hamas ... Do you think the KGB wants to support palestinians? Or muslims? Do you think China does? Do you think Iran wants to support Sunni religious nutcases? How do they treat those in Iran?
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karmakurtisaani 11 days ago
Not a conspiracy theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

A lot of shady stuff happens in the region. This is one of them and certainly something to be aware of.

> Do you think the KGB wants to support palestinians? Or muslims? Do you think China does? Do you think Iran wants to support Sunni religious nutcases? How do they treat those in Iran?

Why is it that every pro Israel comment is full of unrelated questions? My answer to all of these is: I don't care in this context.

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spwa4 10 days ago
> Why is it that every pro Israel comment is full of unrelated questions? My answer to all of these is: I don't care in this context.

In other words, you're antisemitic. You don't care of a great many states that they have very bad intentions towards everyone, including Palestinians, you only care for conspiracy theories that say Jews do this too.

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karmakurtisaani 10 days ago
No. That was the topic of discussion, so let's stick to that.

Edit: see, you already managed to derail the conversation AND call me an antisemite. Good job.

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spwa4 10 days ago
> see, you already managed to derail the conversation AND call me an antisemite

Yes, the point was that you're only willing to discuss what Israel does wrong, and a conspiracy theory at that (yes, there's a core of truth. Yes, Israel protected Palestinian organizations from the PLA, including hamas. Dozens of them. No, Netanyahu did not arm hamas). How Israel can be blamed for everything. No other comments allowed!

The point is that when it comes to conspiracies, Palestinian organizations are supported clandestinely by foreign state actors with insincere and very bad motives (a hidden agenda if you will). Now THAT is a conspiracy. An actual, real, bona fide conspiracy. And with all the traditional horrible actors that you cannot in a million years imagine wanting to help anyone but themselves: Russia, China, the Qatarese royal family, Iran, ... None of them remotely care about the fate of sunni muslim nutcases like hamas, in fact most of these actors want to physically harm them. From massacring them (that's what Iran does), "reeducate" them, massacre them AND force them to fight wars ... that is what Palestinian supporters do to people they have control over that are similar to Palestinians. That is what this thread is supposed to be about. Why are these actors causing the Israel-Palestine issue?

You see the problem here? The worst possible thing that could happen to Palestinians, by far, is that they would achieve anything at all. That would cause their "supporters" to do to them what they always do. If Iran militarily controlled Palestine we would just hear "the military moved" (that's how the BBC reported it) and there was nobody left alive after prayers in 15 mosques, like Iran did in Zahedan and surroundings.

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karmakurtisaani 10 days ago
Man, you produce these long word salads and call me names (at least you edited out the part where you called me an antisemite a second time), while also directing the conversation in multiple tangentially related directions. Very hesitant to engage in any of that.
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spwa4 10 days ago
Uhuh. Likely story. Desperate to change the subject while still wanting to win the argument, that's what's going on.
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