[codinhood]

If you’re arguing that model metrics don’t necessarily translate into useful output, I agree. That’s not how I measure the success of a mode and not really the point I'm trying to make. I try to set things up and test it on my actual projects.

What I’m saying is that if local models were actually comparable to Claude Code in practice, we wouldn’t be having threads like this. It would be obvious to the people using them, and it would be massively disruptive. Why would individuals and companies pay hundreds or thousands for Claude Code if they could run something locally and consistently get similar results?

Every month I revisit the local ecosystem hoping the answer has changed. So far, my experience has been that it hasn’t.

[jrm4]

Having, e.g. seen Microsoft maintain a monopoly for well over a decade, there's nothing in my experience that suggests that "quality always beats hype" is remotely true.

It's entirely possible Claude is just winning the hype game.

[robertlagrant]

Microsoft have not maintained a monopoly on search, mobile, or maps, and they seem to mostly maintain their large market segments based on familiarity, not hype.

[jrm4]

? I was speaking historically, not now

[robertlagrant]

I don't know why you're surprised; you didn't specify you meant historically.

[jrm4]

That was the point of the "e.g."

[robertlagrant]

E.g. doesn't mean historically.