[boothby]

> What does it say about progress that the same laws that protect human rights also stifle innovation?

Innovative methods to destroy human life are "stifled" by measures intended to preserve human life. What to you mean by "progress" -- the betterment of the human condition, or the enrichment of the few and powerful?

[philipallstar]

If someone gets rich because they provide an affordable useful service to millions then that is definitely progress. They should get rich.

[satvikpendem]

And that is the difference in philosophy between the European and American mindset, and why America actually innovates.

[lwhi]

That's why American will become a full dystopia before Europe.

[philipallstar]

Europe isn't a dystopia because it could import American innovation. There's a reason Germany car manufacturers were never going to electrify by themselves.

[lwhi]

I genuinely think there's a level of unrealised density in this conversation.

[Gud]

Europe innovates too.

[disqard]

This sounds like PG's essay on the front page (today or yesterday).

[philipallstar]

It's just a very obvious point, evidenced by where most companies end up being created. Europe's main innovation failure is a failure to recognise the value in taking a risk, and instead to reward people who don't from the people who do. But that still makes it a good place to do bread and better work - old school fabrication of cheap, old-process chips is a good example.