[qsort]

This is unfortunately the problem. The level of the public debate is abysmal, most politicians push unbelivably stupid shit about immigration and other identitarian nonsense, budget gets spent to ensure cheese and wine have the proper AOC certifications on them. Honestly up to a point I even understand it, many people don't see themselves as having a meaningful identity as EU citizens and you can't force it upon them.

Asking for sensible AI policy is like asking for a base on mars.

[mr_toad]

> many people don't see themselves as having a meaningful identity as EU citizens

I sometimes wonder if the citizens of the United States (of America) even comprehend that the EU is not itself a sovereign nation (unlike the states in say, the USA, or Australia) and is just a union of sovereign polities.

Nobody in the EU is an EU Citizen unless they are a citizen of one of the member states.

[davidguetta]

reducing unskilled and hateful immigration is the democratic thing do

this has nothing to the other good idea which is to start building AI

[ben_w]

> reducing unskilled and hateful immigration is the democratic thing do

Hateful, sure, though just like all those on the right who say the first word of "hate crime" is redundant, I'd argue home-grown hate's just as dangerous as imported.

But "unskilled" immigration? When the topic is AI? If this stuff works as advertised, *nobody's skills matter any more*. If it doesn't at least render many of our skills obsolete, why build it? If you make an AI which can't automate anything, how is this not a waste of money?

Even without that, I've not seen anyone who knows about Baumol's cost disease opine either way about migration, high or low skilled.

[qsort]

Actually yea, it has everything to do with it.

I am open to the idea that we should handle immigration differently, but I want a plan and specifics, not slogans. What we want to achieve, and by what mechanisms you plan to get there. Open any newspaper: are you more likely to find careful and considerate opinions or racist screeds?

And that is the problem. Time and energy and money and political capital are routinely spent on inconsequential electoral poliTICS rather than substantial poliCY.

[davidguetta]

you only need to handle immigration if you have immigration. problem is kinda solved if you don't have immigration or at least "immigration that cause problems"

i know many immigrant who don't pose any problem withou need for "handling" or "supervision"