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by olmo23 2 hours ago
> no nationality controls in place

Not for now, but how long before we have KYC regulations concerning LLMs?

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That’s really what Dario wants. Let’s hope he doesn’t get it
But he already got it, no? Claude Fable can only be made available to US citizens, which implies that every user who wants to use Claude Fable must provide proof of citizenship in some way, basically KYC.
what Dario wants is to retain any influence whatsover on how the research progresses before the inevitable nationalization of the frontier. he gets to keep the N-2 tech and maybe influence the N-1 tech, but the only influence on the frontier he has is today; whatever he imprints in the pipeline the government takes over.

IOW I don't think he thinks in the same categories as most folks here.

N-1? N-2?
Best-possible-model (N) - Two Generations (2), same with N-1, N is the SOTA in this example. I'm not sure that actually clarifies what the comment is trying to say other than they think the models will be nationalized (can't even imagine what that would look like).
basically imagine the Manhattan project, but instead of blowing up the desert they're building the biggest datacenter you've ever seen.
Isn't this the beginning of the plot of "I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream"? The exceptionally disturbing dystopian horror?
Regulatory capture is the OpenAI and Anthropic end goal, for certain.

But I also think they exist in a sort of un-designed corporate narcissism, which is a common trait in bubble economies — I am not judging them particularly severely.

Netscape under Clark and Andreessen and Sun under McNealy both fell into corporate narcissism: the belief that only they really mattered, that they were chosen, and that the world needed to rearrange itself to just let them shine. They arguably let themselves get played by Oracle (a corporate psychopath) and others as a result.

OpenAI's position is profoundly corporate-narcissistic: all we need is all the money in the economy and not to have to do anything upsetting like think about turning a profit for the next four years. Like rich kids. It would be nice if you believed we were so important that we should get an enormous stipend for just being us.

Anthropic's position is: we think we're so unique and ominous that government needs to make us both essential and terrifying. We have to exist otherwise worse people will.

Both narcissistic positions.

> Regulatory capture is the OpenAI and Anthropic end goal, for certain.

it has to be, because the other way around - the government taking over parts or the whole thing - is inevitable if the trend holds.

the inevitable trend is that numbers will be free and nobody will control the whole thing

ai-celebrities are just clinging to relevance like all the other celebrities out there

HN is the builder side of the conversation, and in my experience, few safety people congregate here.

The safety side of tech is a PTSD inducing shit show. Governments are more than happy to champion age verification laws, because parents, around the world, are clamoring for anything to pump the breaks on the social media experiment.

Society outside of HN is quite tired of Tech, and I despair of figuring out a way to make this clear to the commentariat.

Social media is old hat now.

As someone on the "safety side of tech", social media is being exploited to increase surveillance and government control precisely because its actual social influence is heavily on the wane, and capital is happy to sacrifice what's left to increase the profits of the expanding public/private tech surveillance industry (with "protect the children" controls on social media like age verification being the usual backdoor route it always is).

Society may be growing tired of Tech, but governments aren't, and in fact they're heavily expanding their back channel reliance on not-traditionally-military Tech as an extension of their Defense spending.

> Society outside of HN is quite tired of Tech, and I despair of figuring out a way to make this clear to the commentariat.

I don't think anyone in tech is really truly engaging with how quickly the shine has come off the tech industry. Except maybe Apple, who even so still have some work to do.

Porque no los dos?
this is exactly the play is my point
Spot on. There's a certain level of drinking the kool-aid or getting high on their own supply. Anthropic is a lot worse than OpenAI but OpenAI had to go through rounds of shedding.
Yeah yeah, but after the IPO!