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by BLKNSLVR 1 day ago
I agree with your first sentence.

The rest is the messy middle around which negotiation is required for any form of minimal co-existence.

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Israel has a right to defend itself, but Palestine does not?
Palestine attacked, and has attacked for ages, because they and other surrounding countries have a stated long term aim to wipe Jews off the face of the earth.

It's like if people in Wales were constantly firing rockets at London because they wanted to destroy all English people, and England doing nothing about it for years until there was a huge slaughter, and then finally retaliating.

> It's like if people in Wales were constantly firing rockets at London because they wanted to destroy all English people, and England doing nothing about it for years until there was a huge slaughter, and then finally retaliating.

Or just like the IRA… asymmetric warfare/terrorism is a natural response to violent oppression

Discarded proportionalty calculations is in response to asymmetric warfare/terrorism which is in response to violent oppression is in response to ethnic conflict, which is in response to migration which is in response to persecution.

Everyone has factors influencing their decisions but everyone still has their own agency and responsibility.

That is one perspective. Would you accept that there are other, equally valid, perspectives which challenge the one you repeated?
People are appropriately scouring your position because there was exactly what you are imagining: a population, living West of the rest of the UK, lobbing terrorist attacks at London. It's just that it was the Irish, not the Welsh, doing the attacks. History has given reason to the IRA's despicable methods; once the British got tired of the unionists' intransigeance, they sat down at the negotiation table and hammered a real deal to really end the violence.

The Palestinians engaged in violent warfare against the Israelis studiously study the IRA and the results they got. So your example is actually an example that proves that the Palestinians' methods could lead to success for them. You'll have to try again.

Who said their aim is to "wipe jews off the face of the earth"? Always claims without citations. The reality is quite different however[1]

[1] https://x.com/incontextmedia/status/1720877046664986750

Counterpoint: https://youtube.com/shorts/3jdONbR7rcI

If you want to know how we got where we are, look up Tantura.