[jfkeinfmsn38]

Everyone loves the "free Palestine" slogan, but I've never actually seen the people who call it offer a concrete realistic solution that could achieve that - is it a two state solution? Is it a one state solution that will burst into a civil war? What's the plan?

What does it actually look like?

I still think a two state solution is the only realistic plan.

[blackqueeriroh]

Unless the people who shout “Free Palestine” are part of the Knesset or Hamas, I don’t think their offering of a “concrete realistic solution” matters one bit.

[khaledh]

Free Palestine simply means a sovereign Palestinian state separate from Israel, which Israel has rejected many times over the years, most recently in the Knesset vote in February and July 2024, opposing the establishment of a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River. Any time there was outside attempts to recognize Palestine as a state (e.g. through UN efforts) Israel responded with building more settlements in the West Bank.

[kyboren]

I've come around on the idea of a Palestinian state.

Once they have a state, the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank will finally have defined borders and a single sovereign. And history shows they can be relied upon to launch another genocidal war on Israel more or less immediately.

Then it will be a war between two nation-states, not a nation-state vs. an unaccountable terrorist organization that pretends to be a proper state when convenient.

The Israel vs. Palestine conflict will then fall neatly into the framework of Westphalian nation-states and when Israel proceeds to utterly defeat Palestine, demands their unconditional surrender, kills all who resist, annexes their territory, and forcibly re-educates any who remain (post-WWII style), it will all be 100% kosher according to customary international law.

[deaux]

> they can be relied upon to launch another genocidal war on Israel more or less immediately.

They'll certainly have learnt a lot from Israel in that respect.

[_DeadFred_]

Googling "Hamas Thai worker shovel" seems to indicate they were pretty ruthless and indiscriminate in their killing already Oct 7th.

[kyboren]

On Oct. 7 the Arabs in Gaza creatively used all means available to them to kill every single human in Israel that they could reach. This includes airpower, i.e. the infamous paramotor assault.

If Israel learned from them and creatively used all means available to them to kill every human in Gaza that they could reach, this conflict would have been definitively resolved years ago and the accusations of genocide would actually be true.

But if y'all keep spuriously accusing Israel of committing genocide when they're not, and Israel is "doing the time" anyway, they might just decide to actually "do the crime". As I said, it would certainly resolve the conflict.

So good work! Keep it up! The more you repeat the lie, the more likely you are to turn it into truth.

[wat10000]

I don't have a plan, but we could at least stop being part of the problem by not giving billions of dollars a year in military funding to their oppressors. If you really want to go crazy, we could stop arms sales to their oppressors altogether. That might not result in a free Palestine, but at least we'd no longer be contributing to its un-free condition.

[DonsDiscountGas]

I've never seen a map of a two state solution which made any sense. It would need to be three IMHO.

[zelphirkalt]

How can a solution ever be realistic, if on the other side you have: (1) Israel and its "we are the victims!" citizens, (2) Israel's military, bombing civilians, while they are trying to get to humanitarian aid, oh and journalists, especially, when they are coordinating with Israeli military to supposedly avoid being targeted, oh and whole news agency buildings, when they negatively report on what Israel is doing (3) Netanyahu, who starts one conflict after another, to stay in power, (4) Zionists, most of who are maximalist in their ideas about what land they want to possess, and assign a value of approximately zero to the lives of other human beings, nearing a racist ideology of "master race"?

(5) There are also complete idiotic and anti-semitic forces on the other side, who demand Israel to completely disappear.

What solution will be accepted as realistic by multiple sides of this conflict and acceptable enough for most sides to get everyone back to the negotiations table?

I have a very unrealistic idea about what should happen, which is directly opposed to factors (1) to (4):

Israel needs to return all stolen land and return to internationally recognized borders as a first step of showing good will. Israel needs to prosecute its own military personell for war crimes and for supporting armed mobs chasing people out of their own houses in the West Bank. Netanyahu and his gang need to be brought to Den Hague, and be put in front of the International Criminal Court. This is just the base justice level.

On the other side Hamas needs to disarm at least in majority. No more rockets launched. Also no more rockets launched from Hezbolla etc. Is the hostages situation still ongoing? Of course they need to be returned, if any still actually alive.

Next, Israel starts financing rebuilding efforts in Palestine.

Sounds realistic? Probably not, but that would at least be somewhat fair. Just not gonna happen with a US-supported dictator and his gang on one side and a guerilla militia on the other side.

Maybe the point is, that "realistic" probably != fair, and that is extremely painful. Maybe the point is, that fairness can only be achieved via a lengthy decades long process of first getting the weapons to cool down, and then holding all parties responsible at international courts. But guess what, Israel would never consent to be judged, because they do whatever the f they want.

[triyambakam]

I'm very uninformed but could "free Palestine" not mean a two state solution?

[poisonborz]

Maybe the shouts are less about "hey I have a concrete solution for a complex hundred year old ethnical problem" and more about "hey an authoritarian state shouldn't be allowed genocide of 100k civilians, or at least my state should not support them with weapons". Protests are about immediate action, solutions happen over long time, if ever.

[762236]

It's performance for social standing. They don't actually care.

[GlacierFox]

It's a fashion statement for some people I've found. Like the Anarchy symbol on a T-Shirt. I've run in to people with such a hard line opinion on the matter who couldn't even point to where Palestine is a on a map.

[deaux]

At least in the US I can guarantee you that the % of hardline pro-Israel people who can actually point to Israel on the map is at least twice as low. I'm willing to bet my assets on that.

[mhb]

> I'm willing to bet my assets on that.

Impressive conviction but no one needs a bucket full of gumballs.

[deaux]

Haha, got'em! What's next, a "deez nuts" joke?

[crote]

Let's start by Israel no longer committing a genocide on the Palestinians and go from there.

Most "free Palestine" protestors probably don't care an awful lot about the final outcome of the conflict, they just want the mass killing of innocent people to stop.

There's a reason the movement only flared up when Israel started carpet bombing Gaza, and not during the mostly-quiet years before.

[mhb]

The "movement flared up" the day after Hamas invaded Israel.

[basisword]

The reason a two state solution seems unworkable is because the people who were there, and had their land systematically taken from them, are considered to be the ones that have to compromise. The world panders to the colonisers, who despite having a huge amount of wealth and global support, always want more than they've already got.