[irishcoffee]

This place is probably the best you’ll find. I actually found hn from a site called meta-somethingOrOther, a long time ago, and that site is probably the closest I can think of.

Hn really is a bit of an echo chamber, not that diverse opinions aren’t expressed, but the folks that voice opinions that don’t align with a specific set of values aren’t very well received here.

I’ll also say that this place has shaped my values, including making me change my opinions on things I severely disagreed with at the time. I’ve also said a lot of shit on here I wish I could wipe out.

[CamperBob2]

I'm fine with diverse opinions, as long as they're not too diverse... and yes, there is such a thing as "too diverse." If I were to barge into an Amish town meeting and harangue them about how they should be using Qwen 3.6 27B Q8 to plan their crop rotation schedule, I would soon find myself heading out of town facing south on a northbound mule. And that's OK.

I feel the same here when "hackers" defend copyright maximalism, try to rehabilitate the Luddites, and argue that the Federal government should aggressively regulate AI models. Basically exhibiting both proud ignorance of history and reckless disregard for the future, all in one breath.

There are so many other places for that. So very, very many. Why do they come here? I spend time in those places as well, but I generally STFU when I have nothing to contribute, or when my core values conflict with their community charter.