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by ImPostingOnHN 5 days ago
Sorry, but none of your personal restrictions on type and style of evidence are pertinent to the matter at hand (and are awfully cherry-picked).

israeli ideological wishes of destroying Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, etc are pretty much in the open, no need to try to weasel around it. Heck, israel doesn't even recognize Palestine's right to exist in the first place.
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FunnyUsername 5 days ago
What would recognizing "Palestine's right to exist" look like? They proposed the creation of a Palestinian state several times; what more would you expect?

> israeli ideological wishes of destroying Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, etc are pretty much in the open

This is pretty ironic considering that Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah are all quite explicit about their ambitions of wiping out Israel, while the reverse isn't true at all. Israelis have no desire to kill Persians a thousand kilometers away, they just don't have much choice but to fight foreign armies who attack them.

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ImPostingOnHN 5 days ago
> They proposed the creation of a Palestinian state several times; what more would you expect?

The Palestinian state already exists, so the least they could do is recognize its right to exist, which is equal in every way to israel's. That is to say: if israel has an unconditional right to exist, then Palestine's right to exist is equally unconditional. Likewise, if israel can place conditions on Palestine's existence, then Palestine has equal rights to place conditions on israel's existence.

> Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah are all quite explicit about their ambitions of wiping out Israel

This is pretty ironic considering that israel is pretty explicit about their ambitions of wiping out Palestinians and taking their land, as well as destroying Palestine, Lebanon, and Iran.

> Israelis have no desire to kill Persians a thousand kilometers away

This unsupported claim is immediately belied by their actions (they initiated a war in which they are killing persians a thousand kilometers away), and also ignores that they are also killing Palestinian and Lebanese people.

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FunnyUsername 5 days ago
> The Palestinian state already exists, so the least they could do is recognize its right to exist

There exists a national identity, but the organization that claims to be its government does not enjoy popular support, and more importantly, has never really controlled the territory that it aspires to govern.

> This is pretty ironic considering that israel is pretty explicit about their ambitions of wiping out Palestinians and taking their land, as well as destroying Palestine, Lebanon, and Iran.

This is false; there's absolutely nothing resembling Iran's, Hamas' or Hezbollah's clear, explicit goals of destroying Israel.

> they initiated a war

This perspective only makes sense if we pretend that proxy warfare doesn't count. Once we acknowledge the fact that Iran funded, armed and trained multiple terrorist groups specifically to attack Israel for years, it becomes very clear who started the Israel-Iran conflict.

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Matl 3 days ago
> They proposed the creation of a Palestinian state several times; what more would you expect?

I would expect a proposal that any self respecting people could accept, what Israel has proposed it then itself described as something 'less than a state'[1].

And that was under much less radical government than is in power in Israel now.

These word games such as don't fool anyone anymore.

1 - https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/pm-rabin-speech-to-knesset-...

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