[cassianoleal]

> Why wouldn’t anyone give away frontier AI?

They already are, to an extent. If we believe Amodei's nutjob take that Mythos/Fable are the end of the world in the wrong hands, we should have an open source Chinese model within 6-12 months that's already end-of-world level, so the cat is going to be way out of the bag long before the US labs go out of business.

[baq]

> should have an open source Chinese model within 6-12 months that's already end-of-world level

that's the exact thing I'm talking about. I don't see why is half the people around here so sure that China will continue to release anything at all. they are releasing non-frontier models on a 6-month lag, yes, but the reasons why to release them are overshadowed by reasons to not do that for mythos-class models. IOW why would they give away a dual use technology just like that?

[cassianoleal]

> the reasons why to release them are overshadowed by reasons to not do that for mythos-class models

Why? What are those reasons? How come they don't already exist for DeepSeek V4 or GLM-5.2?

By the way, I'm not going to entertain the "mythos-class" phrasing because I really don't think it's important. I don't believe Anthropic's take on it being the threshold towards the end of the world that their marketing insists it is.

[baq]

DeepSeek v4 and GLM 5.2 are not Mythos-class, the capability uplift as measured is continuous but consequences are step functions.

[cassianoleal]

I didn't say they are. I did say I don't like the phrasing "Mythos-class" because it puts Mythos on a level I don't think it is.

[baq]

It is on a level above everything else for now, that’s enough to determine it’s quite literally in its own class. Anecdotally it is a good model, sir.

[cassianoleal]

It doesn't seem to be on a level above everything else, no. It seems to be a step increase in some areas and maybe even a decrease in others.

Anectodally, DeepSeek V4 is a very good model as well, sir. I'm not calling anything V4-class because of that.