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by blitzar 48 days ago
Having to pay a fat wedge of tax every year on what you "earn" sucks a lot of the life out of the compounding effect.
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When capital gains tax is so much lower than income tax, this holds even more true for people who work at the companies being sold for lots of money and make income in wages than the people who own the companies, and that just reinforces the original point
Those taxes are the necessary condition in silly essays like this one from pg. Or why do you think those billionaires miraculously mostly end up in the US and not in countries like Sudan or Peru? I mean if those billionaires would actually be the wealth creators, not depending on society at large, they could become billionaires everywhere, right?
Some countries have far more repressive governments.
Only up to a certain threshold – after which you can afford "creative" accounting which reduces the tax burden and restores the compounding effect ;-)
We pay those taxes because not having the services and societal stability those taxes pay for also sucks a lot of life out.
To add to that: There are also "compounding effects" from investments made by tax money, just as for any other investments, the difference is that the compounding gains are collectively owned and not controlled by an individual.
I think that’s their justification in the abstract, not the justification for most individual tax items.
I don't have to inspect every grain of rice with a magnifying glass to enjoy the overall dish.
Are you arguing that we should have bad taxes because some taxes are good?
Yes, absolutely.

There's a cost to perfection. In our computing world, every extra nine of reliability is more expensive than the last, often with diminishing returns.

See also: Florida drug testing welfare recipients cost more than it saved. https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/just-we-suspected-fl...

You’re arguing that the cost to find bad taxes is not worth the savings. That’s not the same thing.

If I’ve already found with a poor justification or better yet, someone is proposing a new one. Shouldn’t we remove it?

In a healthy society that's the case. In an unhealthy one, who knows.
You can still collect taxes without taxing people who have already been taxed in the form of needing to exchange a large fraction of their life for the wage.
I'm entirely onboard with reducing tax on low/mid income folks currently "exchanging a large fraction of their life for the small wage" in favor of increased taxes on the billionaire class, yes.
We already have the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC).
We already have all sorts of things that I like.

We seem to be making most of the changes in favor of the already very well-off, instead of, say, expanding the EITC.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1960-_Tax_rates_of_r...

That covers maybe the bottom 30% of households, and realistically only if they have kids.
There again you might pay a lot of taxes and not get the services and have questionable societal stability. Ask some Brits about that.
But the amount of tax we pay is because of inefficient, corrupt and incompetent government.
We have the current inefficient, corrupt, and incompetent government in the US because the anti-tax wealthy class threw an all-out tantrum over even the idea of paying a tiny bit more tax.
I live in Germany and I pay almost 50% of my income in income tax and social tax. There is always "just that tiny bit more tax" that will magically fix the system (it won't).

Turns out paying more money to an already corrupt government doesn't turn it less corrupt. Go figure, hm?

> I live in Germany and I pay almost 50% of my income in income tax and social tax.

I live in the US and pay less raw tax than that, for sure.

But I reported $49k in medical expenses (premiums, deductible, copays, stuff they won't cover) last year on my taxes, and I've got two kids going to college in a year, which may cost $10-40k/year for each.

I'd rather your trade-off.

My trade-off is not seeing a specialist for 6 months and more while paying 10k healthcare premiums a year for state mandated healthcare. Dermatologists in my city only take privately insured patients or self-paying patients. So I pay 300 Eur a visit anyway. On a third of a US software engineer's salary. I don't qualify for private insurance so im OOL.
You forget that the college expense is temporary while the taxes are forever. And Germany still makes you get private insurance for medical. A single year of taxes in Germany based on my current American income would pay for all of that you just said. So then my question for you is. What were you doing with your money in those other years? I hope it was saving it. Because otherwise I'm gonna eye roll hard at you wanting to increase taxes on everyone just to get a small cut in how much you pay during one fiscal year. Seems silly.
We have an inefficient, corrupt and incompetent government in the US because we voted for it. And we keep voting for it. That's our revealed preference. We obviously like inefficient, corrupt, incompetent governments.
And that government was corrupted by…wealthy business owners via regulatory capture!
People who earn money pay taxes

While at Amazon Jeff Bezos considers his worth to be 80k a year hence he was paid that much, and paid taxes in that salary.

If someone becomes a billionaire by being paid 50m a year for 40 years and paying taxes on that income then congrats.

Bezos has paid $billions in capital gains taxes.
About 1% of the wealth he’s accumulated

Has he earned his wealth over 40 years at an income of 7b a year he’d have paid 115b in tax, not 3b.

Luckily, billionaires don't have to worry about that.