[pvtmert]

They need a distinction between pedal assist and fully electric (motor) bike.

I live in Luxembourg and the infrastructure is not as good as the Netherlands. Majority of offenders (in my experience) are delivery guys and teenagers. Where teenagers simply don't care & do reckless things like passing on a big intersection at full speed on a red light, delivery guys do the same things for extra tips.

Some of the fat-tire electric bikes are really fast, I happen to chase them on Kirchberg cycle road. I sustained 40km/h average behind delivery guys and they were still faster, eventually dropping me. (I was on a road bike).

Simply put, anything above 250watts does not belong to cycle lane.Includes humans :j

[JumpCrisscross]

> need a distinction between pedal assist and fully electric (motor) bike

The only meaningful difference is if there is a motor or not. If there is a motor, it gets a speedometer and you have to stop at stop signs and red lights and follow speed limits. If you are powering yourself, it’s a bit more understandable that you don’t want to stop and start at every intersection. (Though if you have a racing bike, I’d reattach the speedometer and speed-limit requirements.)

[davkan]

There’s no meaningful distinction between a race bike and a commuter bike that can be used for the purposes of lawmaking.

[hyperman1]

Around here, I've never seen an ebike without speedometer, and everyone on the street should respect street signs and red lights. I see no reason to ignore red lights or stop signs just because you're powering yourself.

[davkan]

I live in a small town with no lights, only stop signs. Everyone yields to bicycles and no one expects them to stop at intersections. Not really relevant to the majority of places though.

[graemep]

Teenagers do dangerous things on normal bicycles too. The nearest I have ever come to an accident with a bicycle while driving (in the UK) was a teenager shooting out at high speed across the road from behind a parked van. Having cyclists sharing space with pedestrians is made worse by ebikes (which are effectively mopeds or motorbikes) but is a real problem with pedal bikes too in some places.