[PaulDavisThe1st]

> There are many more things to avoid than just iostream.

But even "avoiding iostream" is stupid. The author presumably really means "avoid operator>> and operator<< for I/O". Even using type-safe printf-like stuff ultimately still sits on top of iostream.

[canyp]

<format> doesn't require iostream.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

fair, but it generates a std::string .. if you want to see it, what are you going to do with it? use .c_str() ??

[tialaramex]

If you want to see it where? If you want a string you've got a string. If you want to write text to something resembling file I/O (e.g. stdout) then std::print and std::println are what you need instead of std::format

Stroustrup's I/O Streams is a weird dead-end C++ technology. Bjarne is probably never going to get over it, but everybody else should forget about it ASAP.

[zabzonk]

Worth pointing out that the iostreams library is the work of many hands, so Stroustrup is not solely to blame. I just found this old SO question which I answered many years ago (I am anon/Neil) which addresses this:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2753060/who-architected-...