[_DeadFred_]

I have stood up for Jews since I was a kid, often saying "I'm Jewish" when racists/antisemitic jokes were told and I have been called those things. I've heard people say all kinds of horrific stuff about Jews. In this very thread we have:

"This is definitely made easier by the fact that the arrogance, the endless lawyering, the shady dealings, the greediness, the constant switching between attacking and playing the victim, they all match to a tee the most known historical antisemitic tropes." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48515906

"Large American investment companies that were also both founded by Jewish people. I'm sure it's just a coincidence, though" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48516750

[noworriesnate]

Comments like yours are what people mean when they say they're switching between attacking and playing the victim. Your response to perceived "antisemitism" is to play the victim, and it is only helping prove what you're complaining about.

The correct way to address this perception is to prove that the attacker (Israel, who is attacking everyone around them) and Jews are not the same. Israel is working very hard to make them seem the same. THAT is what you should be complaining about. Non-Zionist Jews should paint yourselves as the victims of Israel, not the victims of anti-semites. That is the single biggest contribution you can make to this conversation.

[throw26832]

> Israel, who is attacking everyone around them

Can you acknowledge that this is hyperbole? It’s not helpful for you to present yourself as rational in this debate if you are exaggerating the wrongs of one side.

[noworriesnate]

Hyperbole is a useful tool in presenting an argument. One of its greatest advantages is that someone who is uninterested in engaging in good faith will often nitpick the hyperbole instead of addressing the fundamental argument. This is a great way to tell when someone can't address the argument, or is paid to have a conflicting opinion.

And unfortunately this is our reality--Israel is spending hundreds of millions of dollars on various forms of PR, which means using hyperbole to describe Israel actually helps you filter out the people who are paid to make Israel look good from the people who are paying Israel via taxes.

[throw26832]

The best you can come up with is a foreign-agent-ad-hominem?

The only reason to exaggerate the wrongs of one side in a conflict is propaganda - paid or motivated by your own sick agenda. Which means that it’s pointless to argue with you about if you should be telling Jews what antisemitism is.

I put that question forth to assume good faith. This despite all the points in your comment being tropes I have seen repeated many times. You have contributed nothing interesting to the conversation.