[ivraatiems]

I think the key is that they also can't let Anthropic employees who are foreign nationals use it (e. g. overseas remote employees, people on H1-B visas or green cards, etc.)

That would probably make it very difficult to maintain and develop if there's even a small number of such employees, and I suspect Anthropic, who pays large sums of money for what they perceive as the best talent wherever they can find it, has quite a few.

[nrmitchi]

You're right and that is the issue, but I do want to point out that IIRC for ITAR purposes, US permanent residents are considered US nationals.

US vocabulary is confusing.

[jefftk]

You very likely know this, but to make it explicit: "US Persons" under ITAR is US Citizens + Lawful Permanent Residents (green card) + Protected Individuals (Non-citizen nationals like Samoans, Refugees/Asylumees). It doesn't include anything else, like H1B, TN, etc visas.

[hgoel]

And, if their best talent is anything like the other "leader in their field" people I know, they aren't particularly interested in becoming American citizens.

[johnsmith1840]

This to me is a solid argument as to why they should ban it. US has a monopoly on this tech and it should stay that way.

If what they are planning on building is as important as they say any edge US can get it should take.

Having a large number of individuals who are not loyal to the country that provides this opportunity is a future threat the moment an advesary cuts a check.

If this is the nuclear bomb of our age would you want a large number of foreigners building it for you? If this action sticks I imagine every country will follow the same path and treat top AI scientist much like a top nuclear engineer.

[hgoel]

They're not loyal to the country because the country has a history of not respecting people's loyalty.

It isn't about the money, it's about how Americans continue to demonize immigrants and have a tendency of treating people from certain countries as subversives even when they do show their loyalty.

These people are already here, doing research and propping up America's technological edge instead of their home country's. Driving away the people giving you your tech edge, in the name of protecting your tech edge, is obviously incredibly stupid.

[johnsmith1840]

I can think of literally no other country on earth that values immigrants more than the united states.

I swear hackernews is filled with chinese bots or something why is everyone here so anti america?

[hgoel]

So, first you suggest that anyone that won't show loyalty to the US should be excluded, then when it is explained to you that people fear that no amount of loyalty will be enough, you accuse me of being a Chinese bot and anti-America?

Really demonstrating the point there. Your attitude is exactly what they're worried about, and it isn't just Chinese immigrants (you're the one that brought the Chinese thing into this comment chain that was about immigrants in general). This is how people like you and the maniacs in charge always react.

As soon as an immigrant has criticism or even the slightest of concerns about your intentions, you reveal that they will never be seen as equals.

[johnsmith1840]

Not accusing you of being a ccp bot it's just frustrating how everyone on this site has become so anti american reddit like.

"Show loyalty" == not run off to build a super weapon to attack the USA because they are upset at orange man. If someone would take a check to build weapon for ccp we should remove/block them now.

And also my point is still standing. I can think of nowhere on earth more pro immigrant or a place immigrants want to move to more than the usa.

[girvo]

When you see the "illustrious" US government doing things like this, do you blame them? I don't.

[shellfishgene]

If this should actually go on for longer there might be a danger that those employees just start their own companies in Europe or Asia.