[orangebread]

I think this guy is using AI differently than me. Since Opus 4.6 and GPT 5.3, I have been able to absolutely crush my coding work. Boris might be embellishing how he ONLY writes loops, but for the most part I am just handing off planning docs to Claude or GPT and they implement it with like 95% accuracy.

A lot of you don't want to hear it but this is a user issue.

[reinitctxoffset]

I read this a lot and it is just very foreign to me. I use AI systems in software work all day seven days a week and my job has become simultaneously more interesting and more difficult because I scale the ambition up until it's hard again.

Isn't anything else a surrender to irrelevance? I agree that many coding tasks that were previously effort intensive are now not effort intensive, but there's no ceiling I'm aware of on how correct and performant and economical and capable software can be short of saturating the hardware.

And the emergence of agentic intelligence at scale demands new regimes of performance and correctness and economy like maybe nothing else ever has.

I have an anecdote related to TUI flickering in that my TUI library had a flickering problem because it was doing more than 10k FPS, and so I had to lock the buffer swap to the vsync to stop it tearing.

AI coding didn't make more React too cheap to meter, it made notcurses bound into Trinity-inspired deterministic replay event substrate over io_uring possible.

https://youtu.be/YqgEtpJ8tGI?feature=shared

[Enginerrrd]

This matches my experience. LLMs are great at speeding up the easy but tedious bits, but they can’t even come close to independently identifying and solving the issues that come up in the development process which has always been like 90% of the work.

I definitely can do more with them, but the speed up isn’t anywhere close to an OOM. I would say they let me drift into scope I probably didn’t understand when I started, and that can be dangerous waters, but I absolutely use them as a tool to speed up my understanding of that new territory. And I wouldn’t say that pushing the boundaries of my understanding on ambitious projects is in anyway unusual for me. It’s just that I can push a little further a little faster.

[slopinthebag]

If Anthropic has some of the best and most highly paid software engineers on the planet working on a simple program (terminal app) with virtually unlimited tokens for the strongest coding model, and they still ship a sloppy buggy mess, what does that say about the quality of code you are outputting?

A lot of you don't want to hear it, but you aren't doing better than Anthropic so unless your use case is ridiculously simple, Claude Code is the ceiling for what you're creating, and if what you're doing is at all complex, the ceiling is much much lower.

[nitwit005]

He's discussing Anthropic struggling to fix an issue with their own product. He's not the one struggling.

[ryan_n]

> A lot of you don't want to hear it but this is a user issue.

Hmm people say this all the time in these discussions but idk if I buy that it's really a "user issue". It's really, really not hard to "use" agentic ai. It literally involves instructing an llm to do things in natural language. Anyone who knows how to code and speak a language can do this. As you yourself seem to believe, even people who don't know how to code can do this. I just don't think it's possible that THAT many people are having an issue typing some words to instruct an llm to write some code. Maybe the issue is more the type of software you are working on vs the type of software that other people are working on. I don't know, I just don't think "skill issue" is really a valid argument here...

Edit: for the record, I think what Opus can produce is extremely impressive. But I still am not really close to letting write 100% of code I write. And I think that is true for a lot of people, not just me. It still generates (sometimes obvious) bugs. Until that stops, the statement "coding is solved" is objectively false, which (I think?) is largely the point of the video.

[fragmede]

you aren't, but there are other people out there that are having their agent write 100% of the code. Yes, there's a lot of people that aren't but also there are a lot of people that are. I don't think we can get an objective answer. I know we want cold hard facts, but turns out software in the real world contains more reading of star charts and tea leaves than we'd care to admit.

[themafia]

> just handing off planning docs to Claude or GPT and they implement it with like 95% accuracy.

Do you have any publicly available demonstrations of this claim?

> A lot of you don't want to hear it

That there are skill differences in the use of technology? On the contrary this knowledge makes me suspicious of undocumented claims like yours.

> this is a user issue.

Another claim I wish was quantified. With all the billions invested I assumed this would naturally come to exist. I may have just missed it. Any pointers?

[calvinmorrison]

> Do you have any publicly available demonstrations of this claim?

Yeah I mean for example I wrote up a new audio mixer application for TDE using basically claude and just saying - hey rewrite the old ALSA one with Pulse/Pipewire.... its awesome. I dont know how it works.,

[orangebread]

Wow, I did not expect this much response from my comment. First, let me say I am not flexing. I am very willing and happy to share HOW I'm able to achieve high quality code through my workflows and what my loops look like.

I am currently building 4 projects at the same time using a boilerplate I developed for my own projects.

One thing many people who are new to agentic coding harnesses may be missing is that a lot of workflows are personal to how the developer approaches design and implementation. So if you message me, please keep in mind that my approach may not align with how you approach software development.

That said, I will do my best to abstract my process so it's applicable for your work. I would also recommend reading OpenAI's article on harness engineering: https://openai.com/index/harness-engineering/

DMs are open if you genuinely want to know how I work :)

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[thr0w]

> Each business domain is divided into a fixed set of layers, with strictly validated dependency directions and a limited set of permissible edges. These constraints are enforced mechanically via custom linters (Codex-generated, of course!) and structural tests.

> The diagram below shows the rule: within each business domain (e.g. App Settings), code can only depend “forward” through a fixed set of layers (Types → Config → Repo → Service → Runtime → UI). Cross-cutting concerns (auth, connectors, telemetry, feature flags) enter through a single explicit interface: Providers.

This sounds so much like CQRS/hexagonal/DDD/other stuff. This is like the stuff that real world software teams actually struggle to execute on. This is the stuff people want solved. I don't think anyone doubts that if you can nail some sort of rigid, well-defined architecture and tooling workflow, agents can fly on filling in implementation. But it's the first part that needs solving.

[mikgp]

You have planning docs?

I am in no way surprised a sufficient waterfall method passed to Claude code could result in a completely accurate application. But most applications aren’t built via waterfall for all the reasons.

Also agents are just loops. So if you use Claude Code you are doing. Everything with a loop. So I do believe him but Im not entirely grokking the flex.

[taurath]

Sorry, but context rot is real, and I’d be curious how your code is playing out in the real world. Is it shipping? Is it a known product with stable docs? Is it greenfield?

Aspects of coding are faster certainly, but oh gosh can it get very wrong very fast when things go sideways, and with everyone using it, the chaos factor compounds into a near halt.

[dools]

When you hand something off to Claude code, the harness is doing lots of different sessions it’s not a one shot.

[triyambakam]

I am definitely hyped on it and have 10-20 Codex and Claude Code terminals open, but I do wonder what you're building and with who that you would say 95% accuracy. I get so frustrated with Codex inventing new ways to do something every time it compacts or start a new session.

"You're right, I shouldn't have done that" Ya think?!

[thraway3837]

Yup. The only caveat I'd add is that I'm using an alternate account to agree with people who say that AI coding has been amazing, because there is a seemingly a good chunk of people who dislike it and it will be met with downvotes. Also because my real account has my real name in the profile along with projects I work on, and a simple search could reveal my pro-AI coding views and these same folks who downvote could also be a future interviewer.

I think the world changed. And it's changed for the good. AI is a tool, and we should not be afraid of this tool for the coding world. I am only speaking about coding, I'm not speaking about other uses of AI, just so that we're clear on the scope of what I mean by good change.

For the first time, I see people who had all these ideas finally bring them to reality and watch it blossom. They wanted to build something to share with their communities, but the walls were too high. Too much gatekeeping. Too much of thinking that programming was a task for the elite few and not for the masses. Along the way, we all forgot that we build tools for people. And having an additional tool help us make better tools for people is a win. Just below this comment, I see people talking about dementia, "lots more generated code, almost all of it garbage", "future where garbage software".

I think the only delusional ones are the idea that humans were better at coding. Have you never had to work on an older project? One that you did not have to start fresh on? Or did you come into either one and go "wow, this is perfect! everything is so beautiful!" Do you seriously consider your fresh project (that didn't use AI) to be the best most perfect beautiful code ever?

The fact is that nobody cares. People want to use good things and have fun with their lives. They're not worried about whether you wrote a method that parses some strings beautifully or did it with a one-liner. That never mattered, and I think a lot of you can't let go of that world view change and instead lash out at people who simply embrace that programming was simply a tool, not some elite special skill. And we're going back to those beliefs. It's done. It's over. Get over it.

[zingababba]

Well said. Most of my career I made a trade-off and that trade-off was that I would much rather spend my free time outside in nature than on implementing my wild ideas which I always recognized would take considerable time. I'd maybe take 1% of my ideas anywhere. Now I can play with ideas while I'm out on the trail and turn those into something I can test within a couple hours, it's the most fun I've had on computers since the very beginning.

[thraway3837]

Very well said yourself! I frequently tell my friends (both in tech and polar opposite non-tech) that 3 things changed the tech world for me:

1. Internet 2. Smartphone 3. AI coding

All 3 were "WOW" moments for me.

[scooby7430]

Agreed. I think the opinion on AI is split into two camps, people who's enjoyment from programming came from writing the code and people who like building things. It's really undeniable at this point that AI has changed the job and I really enjoy it now more than ever, I can come up with an idea, guide an LLM through the steps to build it and have it be a real thing faster than I ever could have imagined.

Yeah LLMs aren't perfect, there is back and forth along the way and if you just let it loose you are going to end up with slop but I feel like we can achieve better quality now in a shorter amount of time using the tool properly. I'm not sure if I am just naive but I am really excited about the possibilities now and have been spending more time than ever building what I want. I used to think that writing the code was the enjoyable part for me but I think it was just building things.

I empathize with people in the other camp who got into it for the love of the code and now that part of the job is being taken away but I think it would benefit them to be honest about LLMs and try and work out a path forward here rather than just "my function is better than an LLM one, LLMs are just slop machines"

[thraway3837]

Great take and I agree

Coding did have a certain amount of fun to it. When it was small. And needed to just do 1-2 things. Severely constrained in it's scope and impact. But, those were the QBasic days when I just made a cute app. That thinking has not scaled for applications of any size for decades now.

I want to make great stuff for people and AI removes all the hurdles. Interviewing for asinine things like reversing a binary tree on the white board and then being nitpicked on getting the loop index wrong and then being ghosted is what the tech culture has devolved into. And its 100% caused by programmers who have grown too big of an ego and failed to develop socially.

All of that is game over. It's done. In just under a year, the whole landscape has changed permanently. There are those that like help and create, and there are those that like to gatekeep simply because it makes them feel better. Nobody likes the latter.

[thraway3837]

And exactly as predicted: Downvoted to hell.

Thanks, but the world's changed and there's no going back. Hope you can change with it.

[nitwit005]

A lot of the comments in this thread are down voted. None of them have anything to do with the content of the video people came here to see discussion of.

[bag_boy]

Can you give me your use case here? I have not gotten around to trying loops in Claude code but have started to notice the hype.

[Jeremy1026]

This guy has been against AI from the very onset, and no matter what happens with AI going forward I think he'll always poopoo it.

[thraway3837]

This is the correct take. People who are closed minded and against this tool will always be against it, because they feel or think AI coding is an existential threat to them. If you think AI coding is going to replace your job, well, perhaps your job was just not all that important in the first place.

Sorry that sucks to hear, but the real talent lies in systems thinking. How to make things look good. How to make it usable for humans. How to make something exciting and remove the blocker that was programming effort. Everything else is still a hard problem. And those are all people problems. Just because computers can now spit out computer code doesn't mean all the problems are solved.

Case in point: As I comment on this article. The US govt has asked Claude to stop the export of the latest Fabel and Mythos models. And Anthropic decided it was just easier to disable those models for all users.

These things aren't simple decisions. And we're just barely getting started with AI coding. Can't wait for what 1 year from now looks like :)