[Swizec]

Not sure whether I've noticed this or not, but recently I've become strongly focused on startups that align value with their users. Traditional consumer startups are crap, get eyeballs, sell to advertisers "or something".

Screw that. If you aren't making something your users want to pay for, start making something else.

That said, I think SEO and "growth hacking" can be very useful AFTER you get the basic "We provide value to our users" thing solved.

[mason55]

Welcome to enterprise

[Swizec]

Not quite, I really like the idea of selling to consumers :)

As a consumer I pay for a bunch of (online) services that I use. There's bound to be others out there ...