[fabianholzer]

Bell Labs is an outlier in basically every aspect. Mr Kernighan lists stability of the environment with regard to funding, structure, mission as well as technical competence of the management as main drivers of the culture. This is just not the reality in companies that look for financial results on a quarterly basis and where the executives are MBA types.

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If one of the most successful engineering organizations in history attributes part of its success to capable management, that undermines simplistic narratives where management is inherently the problem and engineers would naturally thrive if left alone.

If anything, the Bell Labs example supports the idea that exceptional outcomes require both strong technical talent and strong management working together.

Not saying the "MBAs" are helping the situation, but the hero developers and their resume driven development practices aren't exactly angels either.

[fabianholzer]

Capable is the loadbearing word, the directors were all PhDs in math, science and engineering fields.

I dont subscribe to the strawman argument that engineers would naturally strive on their own, but neither does simply any form of management automatically add value.

I agree also that hero type devs are an indicator of problems