[ai_fry_ur_brain]

Im faster than all these llm freaks. Im not convinced its faster to use llms, except maybe boilerplate (who cares).

People can just be lazy and seem productive now, they're still lazy.

We have people that now need access to hundreds of thousands in hardware to write an email. Miss me with that, im not frying my brain and becoming dependent on having access to a billionaires thinking machine.

Im also not going to fry my brain with a local think for me machine either. I want to be more valuable than the hardware I have access too.

[anakaine]

It seems that you've not worked out how to harness the LLM as a tool to improve your qualified knowledge and abilities in a domain, and have instead focused on whether or not its a crutch for lack of knowledge or laziness.

When paired with your skill and knowledge, it is a force multiplier. You maintain control, the ability to direct, structure, strategise, and refine.

That some are using it as the entire brain does not mean that this is how everyone is using it, or how you must use it. The models can be fantastic at breaking past certain issues, surfacing qualified information, and surfacing related distributed information to help you acquire it and pick up what you need on niche topics quickly. Something as basic as copilot hooked into sharepoint can make life a lot easier when you are in a big org. Something like claude code or codex can be great at hunting down issues in an unfamiliar code base rapidly. Whether or not you outsource the thinking component is entirely up to you, but ignoring the productivity side of the tool because it can do some of the thinking is a case of focusing too hard on the negative.

[ai_fry_ur_brain]

Im not denying its usefulness for Q&A on docs/code as a search tool. Im talking about people who use it design and write their code, people who are offloading problem solving altogether, they aren't faster.

[halfmatthalfcat]

You're fighting a battle you can't win. Doesn't care what you think about those using LLMs, they will outproduce you and in corporate environments, shipping things is paramount. If I can ship 5 more things simultaneously with AI, I'm going to beat you even if you think you're creating "better" software.

[etdznots]

Example of whats been shipped?

[jen729w]

Okay. I rebuilt my website in ~a month with the help of Opus 4.7/.8 and it would have taken me, unaided human, at least 6 months. Link's in my bio if you care.

Satisfied now? Will you stop asking this question? Thought not.

[SepiaSapient]

I'm looking at something fairly standard that can be made with a SSG. The "Written by humans" footer gave a good chuckle tho.

[ofjcihen]

So look. I’m not trying to be a dick I promise.

But I took a look at your site and I don’t know if a month would be impressive for a new and unaided dev. It looks nice but yeah.

If you’re not a dev that’s totally cool but like… all I’m saying is this may not hit like you want it to.

[kelsier_hathsin]

Seriously a month? I could write a SSG itself to produce this site in a month.

[ai_fry_ur_brain]

Why would this have taken 6 months? No offense, but this is a few days work without llms (assuming the content already exists). This should not have taken a month.

Also, not trying to be an asshole. Props for not making it look like every other llm generated slop site, Its just not a great example.

[serf]

the quantum slop argument : "yeah it's everywhere but no one ships it."

[ai_fry_ur_brain]

They don't out perform me though...

[slopinthebag]

Yeah there are some tasks which it is a definite speed-up but I think overall its probably only marginally beneficial. Which is why, ~6 months into 10x productivity we aren’t seeing ai boosters shipping 5 years worth of software.

[SecretDreams]

I understand this perspective. I'll just note that as the abilities increase, the intent is to have some non -coding IC or TPM/manager literally just managing some LLMs and cutting out some software engineers. The goodness is specifically to wholly replace people who code first and foremost, at least partially. It just has to cost less tokens than the equivalent wage is the pricing goal.

And people who use LLMs to talk for them (e.g. email, slack) are deplorable. A completely disrespectful use case in my view.

[Ronsenshi]

The desire to get rid of software engineers is bizarre - because at the root of it, developers were there not to just write the code, but to ask right questions and based on these question build right things.

I've met in my professional life some managers or other middlemen who would be profoundly incapable of producing correct software no matter how smart of an AI agent they have access to. One of those - you don't know what you don't know.

But, I guess this is the world we live in now. Going to be Mortal Kombat for positions in companies where software engineers are actually valued.

[emodendroket]

It depends a lot where you work because there are lots of companies in the world where the business analyst does all of that and the developers exist to mindlessly translate their docs into code.

[cebert]

That sounds like an unmotivating working arrangement. It’s so rewarding to understand a customer need and help with the design and implementation of the feature.

[emodendroket]

There's a reason I didn't stay in that domain, let me tell you.

[rpcope1]

Having worked in places across both extremes (software engineer doing lots of other things including BD, hardware, ops, etc. to just being a JIRA ticket machine monkey), I am suspicious that HN readership is biased towards the former and frankly the bulk of "software engineers" in the world _willingly_ exist in the latter category. I didn't experience the latter until later in my career and God Almighty was it uncomfortable, but I think if AI were to displace some subset of "software engineers" it would those (they also seem to overwhelmingly dislike writing any prose whatsoever, which to me is a major tell). Many, many software engineers outside of hotshot shops seem either incapable or profoundly averse to "asking the questions" as you say.

[anonzzzies]

Most here on HN know sweatshops exists but seemed they think not people work there or use them. I have worked with (via clients who used them) programmers in enormous buildings in Bangalore, who have a camera behind them so you can watch your people 247 and who just mindlessly transform jira tickets into code; I keep saying; there is zero use for all those millions of people at all; seems HN does not believe that because they seem to not believe these people exist. I worked with many over the past 30 years and by far most have no real clue what they are doing so I also doubt they can be re educated for a new co existence with LLMs.

[aabdi]

Consider this. U have a website. U have to translate to xx languages. Can u write it faster than an AI? If so how much faster can u do this?

Is it valuable to u? Is it valuable to a Chinese person? A Spaniard?

Google Translate counts as AI.

[latentsea]

Don't feed the troll.