[Arainach]

> those teams get reputations for being a shit show,

Reputations with who? The VPs who rotate in and out every few years (if you're lucky enough to go a few years between reorgs) for a new title and salary bump?

> there will be high turnover, good engineers won't transfer in,

On the contrary, many people want to work on the team that gets visibility where people can actually get promoted rather than having to justify their existence constantly