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by ryandrake 51 days ago
I wonder who gets to decide which companies make important and critical software and which ones get the scraps later.
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No need to wonder.

The answer is, the organization making the powerful tool. The people in charge of Anthropic.

Not only that, but they've also written at length about exactly what their opinions and values are: https://darioamodei.com/

You may not agree with the decisions that they make, but they're hardly mysterious. Not something to wonder about.

Amodei has no values, he's a hollow husk and he'd sell his family into sex slavery if it could make him a buck.
Nonsense. Everyone has values. "Make myself maximum money" is a value. "Amass maximum power over the world's information" is a value. It's clear Amodei certainly follows the latter, and I would soften the former somewhat for him; they did after all decline the Pentagon contract that would have made money but would have meant giving up some control of information.
Those aren't values. Maybe goals or motivations but not values in any conceivable way, shape or form. This site is full of pod people I swear.
Maybe it would help if you shared your private personal definition of "value", since you're clearly not using the one from the dictionary...
Only a Yankee would need an explanation of what values are or why only caring about making money isn't one.

What a disgusting country filled with hollow degenerates. No wonder you keep voting for a senile grifting pedophile.

The one they ended up going “well I guess we’ll contract with them after all”, after cleverly using their sort-of-refusal to gain a ton of goodwill and new customers?
Yes, because it changed slightly, addressing their complaint. The complaint was small in scope.

Again, just because someone has values, doesn't mean they have values you think are good.

That would be Anthropic.
Well, Anthropic thinks it should be the Trump administration [1].

This whole business just keeps getting dumber.

1: https://darioamodei.com/post/policy-on-the-ai-exponential

Read the actual essay. I cannot possibly imagine how you come to that conclusion unless you're just arguing in bad faith.
No. You read the actual essay, then explain how we're supposed to interpret this more charitably:

    Frontier AI models, like airplanes, should 
    be required to go through technical testing 
    and auditing, and their release should be 
    blocked or reversed as a threat to public 
    safety if they do not meet high standards 
    of safety. I am grateful to see the Trump 
    administration’s Executive Order move 
    incrementally towards a greater role for 
    government in AI, though Anthropic’s proposal 
    recommends even further action. 
They are all-but-literally sucking up to the administration that declared their company a supply-chain risk, arguing that the same administration should be given gatekeeping authority over all high-quality LLMs including open-weight releases. Go gaslight somebody else.
I agree with your sentiment but not your conclusion. They don't want this administration specifically to have gatekeeping authority, what they want is any administration to say that they are gatekeeping, so that they can regulate the competition out of existence. Of course the actual checks and balances will be near pointless in effect, but expensive to implement nonetheless.
Of course the actual checks and balances will be near pointless in effect

My concern is that they won't be pointless in effect. Make no mistake: if Amodei has his way, possession of unvetted model weights will be treated like possession of CSAM is today. And at the same time Amodei calls for that, others are calling for the deployment of technical measures that will make it easier to enforce such laws.

All to the sound of thunderous applause on "Hacker News."

This is a pretty reasonable statement and I'm not sure how you could interpret this as "sucking up to the admin."
No one is "grateful" for being labelled a security risk. The statement reads more like a Chinese "Ah Q" story than a real response.

(Unless they are piping the F1 Mercedes theme song in the announce system at anthropic, in which case maybe you are right)

I can read it as both TBH.

First sentence by itself is mundane "regulators are good", which most people agree with, and also libertarians will object to regardless of leader.

Second sentence is obviously sucking up, though is the same level of sucking up found on every stereotypical LinkedIn post.

It's a pretty reasonable statement if you work for Anthropic and are eyeing your stock options nervously and your competitors even more so.
How do you get "Anthropic thinks it should be the Trump administration"

From that paragraph?

Even granting it is sucking up, that is not replacing.

Because that's who will make and enforce the rules. Rules that, naturally, Amodei will help write.

If you think this is OK, I'm not sure what led you to a site called "Hacker News," but fortunately there are plenty of others.

You got baited by a confirmed Anthropic shill, see more info here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48270186
Confirmed by you!

I don't really agree with their point here, but there are plenty of people in the AI community whose views are aligned with Anthropic's. That doesn't make them shills.

It's actually important those views are put forward.

A place like LessWrong has the opposite problem - there is no one there who questions the "safety narrative" so the discussion swings more and more towards the extreme end of that spectrum.

Wait, did you actually claim that most work at FAANGs doesn’t require an NDA and that was evidence to support your accusation?
I hate to accuse people of shilling (and HN hates those accusations as well, policy-wise). And there are ways to defend Amodei's point, or at least there would be if he and his friends hadn't been beating the same drum since GPT2.

But I tend to agree, just saying it's a "pretty reasonable statement" and leaving it at that is beyond the pale for anyone who doesn't have an undisclosed stake in the argument.