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by bluGill 7 days ago
Write your congressman. If congress decides the people care things will change, but when they hear nothing they don't care.
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Im Canadian, so I cant do much to affect American policy. I'm generally happy with how Canada's politicians are handling this situation. I do hope more Americans do what you say, it is why democracy exists.
The nice thing about having a rep that supports my ideals is I don't really see the need to. It won't change anything, and I don't need to convince them.
It is important because they need to decide priority. And if they are not strong supporters they may even change their opinion to get votes next fall if they see the political winds. (I don't know your representative, some are more swayed by the winds that others)
mid terms will be fun, and scary to watch. Consequential times....
They will care more if you pay them instead, though.
Given how cheap some politicians are, a pro Canadian lobby could do wonders. If AIPAC can get so much influence for so little why not.
AIPAC bought the KY-04 seat by pumping so much money into shows demented boomers watch that they completely upset the usual primary voters in the state by getting truckload of demented people to show up from a 30 second sound blurb played over and over that Massie was selling out Kentucky to the democrats. This despite the fact the votes from last term's primary voters basically did not change at all.

It's actually mind blowing how effective AIPAC is. They managed to upset one of the most popular Republicans in the US house by a genius campaign at non-voting demented boomers by tricking them to believe probably the most conservative guy in the entire congress is secretly a Democrat.

> If congress decides the people care things will change

Hah

That fatalistic attitude is why your democracy is in peril.

Get off your arse and take lessons on protesting from the French.

The French have more of a social safety net, which enables extended protests. I understand the irony in stating this (well then, USian, get off your ass and demand a social safety net), but the chicken-and-egg problem is real. This is setting aside cultural mores and biases; for an example thereof, see sibling comment.
> The French have more of a social safety net, which enables extended protests

How do you think they got those in the first place though?

Those rights were won at the time when stomachs were more often empty than full and before video games got really good.
Ah, meaning things need to get worse before they get better... The video games part reminds me of "Opium of the masses", probably some truth in that.
I don't disagree, hence the chicken-and-egg problem.
It is one reason, but certainly not the only one.

The Citizens United decision virtually ensures that the average voter, even in aggregate, has nothing important to say. Shortly, one particular U.S. citizen will have a net worth of $1T; and this, more than anything will ensure that “We the People” are only noise, compared to the real signal.

> Get off your arse and take lessons on protesting from the French.

Sir, I'm fleeing this country. The time to protest was 30 years ago. Or 70 years ago. Either way, it is well in the past. This country will need to crash and detox from its addiction to money before it can become a real democracy.

> Sir, I'm fleeing this country.

Where to?

Because unless you become a citizen of the country you are fleeing to (a process that, *IF* it is open to you, will take years), you will have even less rights to vote and protest than you do now.

> you will have even less rights to vote and protest than you do now.

That may be true. But there won't be the pretense that I'm living in the most free, democratic place on earth when I'm obviously not.

Anyway, voting and protesting seem to have zero impact, so it's hard to figure out what value to assign...

IIRC Some parts of argentina allow residents to vote. And you can file a citizenship case on day one of arrival and have it stalled for years until you actually meet the criteria (which due to their constitution which won't change easily, is basically "survive 2 years"). In the meanwhile you can't be deported with an open citizenship case.
You can get citizenship in like 90 days in Vanuatu or something. Nominally it's less democratic / more oppressive than the USA but in reality they barely know what's happening on many of the islands...
That is a problem, but the larger problem is people don't have an informed vote. They vote for a party straight down without considering what they really support, or what the unintended consequences of those things are.
The other half of this is there is so little choice that a voter does have. On the national level it's just over one bit of information per year. Over 12 years - 3 presidential races, 6 congressional reps, 4 senators. I'm not counting primaries because while they can shape policy, they can just as well unshape policy from people voting strategically ("electable"). And a voter can only vote in half of the primaries, so primaries are already part of the dynamic ushering people into these packaged sports teams of the major parties.

In addition to the obvious fixes like Ranked Pairs voting, I'd say we need a Constitutional amendment bringing back independent agencies with their heads being directly elected rather than merely picked by whomever wins the presidential race. For example you shouldn't have to balance your guess of how you think one president will treat the ATF vs the NSF. Or the President shouldn't have any power over the Attorney General, as it's the Attorney General who should be prosecuting a criminal President, rather than merely being a lapdog in the criminal conspiracy. A race for each agency would also create focus on each agency head's actual results, rather than how the current guy is using a round-robin of all these different departments to create a tough-looking spectacle in one area, only to move on to another one when the actual results start becoming apparent.

We also need the right to recall for all national politicians, for obvious reasons.

The representative system in the US is all but dead when it comes to high-power politics, this second Trump presidency has vigorously shown that. They weren't of that much use before, also, apart from blocking a few essential things here and there. They're also not at the Caligula's horse in the Senate moment, but they're rapidly going that way.
Social unrest is not usually a hallmark of a functioning society.
Social unrest is how equality and functional societies were obtained.
Touché

But your argument implies society was dysfunctional, and unrest made it functional.

I don't think we are actually disagreeing here

A society needs to allow that unrest first. Both directly allow it, but also the type of thinking that would cause it.
Alright so let's obtain that society
Midterm elections are coming up.
I think they are afraid they are going to get creamed in November, but for some reason they are more afraid of the president.

They might not be wrong about this, the president is known for siccing the department of Justice on his political enemies.

As a Canadian watching from a distance the fact that the administration and its congressional allies etc don't seem to be concerned at all about what is going to happen in November gives me a lot of apprehension about what they might know that is not being stated publicly.

Midterms coming up and prosecuting an endless "war" that doubles gas prices, and not seeming concerned at all about the blowback?

What's up with that?

Once you accept that Trump is literally senile, a lot of things click into place. Why does he seem unable to predict obvious consequences of the actions he takes? Why does he fixate on random mean words and repeat them with no regard for normal political strategy? Why does he randomly fall asleep on camera?

When he says that he has no reason to worry because the polls show everyone loves him, I think he genuinely believes that.

That's a given, but what is the excuse for Bessent and so on, who are clearly very smart. Just in a really bad way.
When you figure out how to leverage a vote to get something, let me know. Last time I tried this I was screamed at for electing a fascist for withholding it.
You will be screamed at no matter what you do. So don't let that get in your way. It is important to vote. Remember when people are screaming that at least you're sending a message because votes even for third parties are counted and when third parties start to get a lot of attention that does change what the major parties do. So don't worry about so-called wasted votes. They're never wasted. Sometimes you don't have a good option, but you can pick the best option you have.
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice".
When our state furnishes candidates worth voting for, maybe I'll consider it a democracy.