[consumer451]

Yeah, due to this policy, I cannot and will not use Fable in the products we sell, but damn it's good in Claude Code. Really gonna miss it as the daily after June 22nd.

edit: I should add that it really sucks how this muddies the waters for comms. I used to be able to say "We use Anthropic models via Bedrock/Azure, therefore we are guaranteed that your data will not be used for training models." That was simple comms. Now, it's not that simple.

This really, really sucks. Not just for us, but for all AI features in b2b apps. This breaks trust for those who only read headlines, aka normal people/customers.

[insanitybit]

> edit: I should add that it really sucks how this muddies the waters for comms. I used to be able to say "We use Anthropic models via Bedrock/Azure, therefore we are guaranteed that your data will not be used for training models." That was simple comms. Now, it's not that simple.

This is massive and an insane move from Anthropic. They should have worked with AWS to have the retention done entirely in AWS infra and disabled the retention on their side.

[consumer451]

Exactly. See my downthread comment. That is my proposal as well. I understand that Anthropic and Azure/AWS have different priorities, so even if Anthropic forward-deployed/embedded/rotated their own people into those teams to keep them honest, as long as user data didn't flow back... I would be fine with that.

[usef-]

Note that the terms still prevent them training on the data. The retention is for abuse prevention.

[consumer451]

Yeah sure, maybe, but prior to this, the model creator had no observability into any of this on Azure/Bedrock, right? Now they do. That's one over-eager PM or bug away from training on my clients' data.

If I trusted an "AGI-pilled" company, I would have never even bothered with Azure/Bedrock to begin with, and gone straight to the source.

AGI-pilled means that you think you are building god. They might actually be doing that, but in either case, I cannot trust people in that state of mind with my clients' most valued proprietary data.

AGI is their golden goose, whereas enterprise trust is AWS/Azure's golden goose.

edit after upvotes: I get it from the Anthropic POV. I am not an Anthropic hater, in-fact I am a huge fan. People trying to distil their models would likely use Azure/Bedrock for that purpose, as the lack of Anthropic observability would be ideal for that. Still, this all sucks for anyone building an honest business with enterprise customers.

There has to be a better way. Maybe deploy the automated observability tools to the Azure/Bedrock teams... and have them flag and investigate accounts? If Anthropic can do this, so can Azure Foundry/Bedrock teams, right? Maybe even forward deployed Anthropic folks would be ideal to keep them honest, as long as the raw data does not flow back.

[insanitybit]

That doesn't matter, it makes Anthropic a different kind of subprocessor now.

[ccurrens]

Does it? It says “We won’t use this data to train new Claude models”. Couldn’t the wording “new Claude models” allow them to use it on their existing ones? It’s vague enough to me, at least.