[impulser_]

It's kinda weird to think the Chinese AI labs might be more trust worthy than the US labs.

- Anthropic is ran by a bunch of nut jobs.

- OpenAI is ran by a guy you can't trust.

I don't even know if we should include DeepMind, Meta, or xAi in the conversation of AI labs at this point since they can't produce models better than Chinese labs.

[reasonableklout]

To be fair, nerfing Claude on frontier research tasks is consistent with Anthropic's stated beliefs. So in that sense you can trust them to always behave consistently if strangely. But this launch was done very poorly with the lack of transparency on when the frontier research policy was violated.

[impulser_]

Yeah and their belief are fucking crazy and dangerous. They are literally sabotaging their users. They built in malware into their model if you prompt it about training a fucking AI model. It doesn't tell you, no it literally sabotages you by editing your prompt and intentionally goes against your request.

You want fucking nut jobs like this building models?

It's one thing to build safeguards on your model and have it prompt the user back. I'm sorry I can't help you with this request. Chinese models do this for some requests.

It's another thing to actively try to make the model perform worst for your user on purpose because it asked the model to do something you, the model creator, didn't like.

Imagine someone is asking a logical medical question and the model swaps the prompt and purpose being less intelligent and gives bad advice to this person.

How do these people not understand they are stupid.

[noduerme]

Is it really crazy to nerf a proprietary model to prevent it from training another model? I don't think that's even remotely similar to giving bad medical advice.

[preg_match]

It’s not a nerf, it’s sabotage. That’s different. This is like if you’re driving a car and it detects your pulling up to a competing dealership so it cuts the brakes.

This is, in my mind, effectively malware. We don’t know exactly what code the model will inject, and we certainly don’t know when it will happen. It could very easily introduce vulnerabilities.

[Balinares]

Given that the "proprietary" model is built on stolen work at an unprecedented scale, it's at the very least hypocritical to a degree that would not be possible without a fundamentally amoral mindset.

[skeledrew]

> You want fucking nut jobs like this building models?

It takes *nut jobs" to advance tech like this at the speed it is. They have strong beliefs and they work hard to realize those beliefs.

[piyuv]

The thing with Chinese AI labs is that you don’t need to trust them. They publish the models, you can run them on-prem or rent a beefy VPS.

[redox99]

Deepmind is definitely frontier. They just don't care that much about code.