[re-thc]

No, I'd wager the opposite.

If Anthropic "won" they'd not 2x the price as well as potentially lock it out of monthly plans. Opus is already on the pricier side. Sonnet hasn't been updated in a long while. Haiku is even worse.

Right now, the only thing this gains is Anthropic has a better model but at 2-5x the cost. Is it worth it? That's not "winning". That's a tradeoff.

[robocat]

Perhaps think of how variable hourly wages and salaries are. You might be able to employ someone at minimum wage. For higher skills you pay more.

Is that a better way to think of Anthropic's pricing structure?

[lnenad]

But even if 10x the price the value is there. Fable needs to loop less, spending less tokens, and is going to be much more correct so the price increase isn't a straightforward evaluation.

[yaodub]

Sure, but you're paying the higher rate just to find out if that's true for your use case.

[re-thc]

> the value is there

I'm not saying there's no value. Just like there's expensive tea and cheap tea. The expensive tea doesn't "win" though, which in this context is referring to defeating all the competitors like a >50% marketshare scenario.

And it's not like everyone is sitting still. Every competitor is evolving rapidly. Whether it is ability or pricing.

[lnenad]

I'm saying it's not expensive tea if you have to drink more of the cheap tea to get the ~same effect.

That's why I'm posting this, my expectation (based on previous behavior) is that there should be a response from OpenAI. Considering it's missing I'm worried there's some secret sauce that others are missing.

[re-thc]

> I'm saying it's not expensive tea if you have to drink more of the cheap tea to get the ~same effect.

You don't need 1000s of architects to build a building.

Just like companies don't have everyone as staff engineers.

IF as I explained this was the mid-level engineer (on price) beating every existing staff engineer by miles, then that's winning.

This is not.

> That's why I'm posting this, my expectation (based on previous behavior)

In history, it is still within the time range that OpenAI has reacted and released a new model, so no, nothing new.

[lnenad]

It's not a valid point imho as your paying for tokens, not hours, per token value is much more important and the purpose of getting more lower value tokens does not exist (unless for a fraction of the price to get to the same result). But it's fine if you feel differently.

Yeah, I'm rooting for this otherwise we're in for a rough ride in the next couple of months.