[spacedcowboy]

We have lots of things closing down, we need to sort that out, but burning the fucking world so we can live a life of plenty right now while screwing up every child and their own children even worse is not the way to do it.

And I don't give a shit if "China is worse". They are, because they started from a worse position, but they're improving a fuck sight faster than us. If your worldview is way too right-wing and self-centered that fucking China is a shining beacon in the darkness by comparison, maybe it's time to take a long hard look in the mirror.

[gadders]

Oh, China is by no means a beacon. I just don't think we should be (effectively) outsourcing pollution to them. In the last 8 years, China has emitted more CO2 than the UK has in the last 250.

[spacedcowboy]

China is approximately 40x the size of the UK, and has 20x the people. Using "the last 250 years" is not in any way a comparable term.

The UK was emitting (in 2000) roughly what China is emitting today, 9.36 tonnes/capita then for the UK vs 9.24 tonnes/capita now for China. China is behind the UK on the curve from industrialisation to clean industrialisation but the "250 years" thing is just designed to present them in a bad light.

Neither of them are close to the USA, which is running at 13.8 tonnes/capita right now.