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by itqwertz 4 days ago
There are always personal risks when you engage with society at a political level.

If you see a police stop on the highway, should you pull over and record to observe? Could this stop make you a person of interest, or at least a known nuisance, to the average law enforcement agency? Would footage of interactions between the detained driver, police, and yourself be of interest on social media? Does the U.S. government possess a vast well of data of each citizen's interactions on communication networks?

Let's be honest here - what was this person's intentions? A quick Google search of "Xenia Pantos" shows details about this person's life and practice that would place them a political/social enemy of the current U.S. administration's voting base.

My advice is to treat all interactions with the government as neutral at best, and to avoid any reason for them to target you. If you decide to become a political, expect some negative attention from the opposing side, especially if that opposing side is in power. The ideal world where a citizen exercises their rights crumbles into brutal reality the second one of these interactions being observed becomes physically contentious or violent.

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By this logic, no constitutional right that annoys the executive is ever worth exercising, which makes the right nonexistent. Recording police in public is a settled protected activity in most circuits, it's not really a gray area. It's an example of the government building files on people for doing something courts have explicitly said they may do.

Whether the protestor's politics make her a political enemy of the administration's voting base is irrelevant. The government tracking citizens because their lawful speech opposes the administration is the textbook definition of retaliation based on viewpoint, the thing the First Amendment firmly prohibits.

The story is that ICE apparently denied maintaining a database whose existence a letter to Congress suggests is real, not that the protester is surprised that activism has consequences.

ICE was ordered to confront and escalate without a reason. They came looking for trouble.
I, unlike you, live in a democracy and expect the government to not send goons to intimidate opponents.
I also live in a "democracy" as well, but the U.S. has as much corruption as any banana republic or former Soviet bloc state. We just haven't reached ostensible, Mexico-tier levels that irk the average citizen. Democracy is just the story you're told to placate your feelings of powerlessness by the powers-that-be. Any form of real threat to power through protest is squashed before it even begins. There is evidence it is fostered by the government itself.
Your assertion is the US is less corrupt than Mexico? Can you explain how laws are made in America and who they benefit what percentage of the time? Can you explain the open fraud described as AI?
Government has a monopoly on violence. It is just that the developed world hasn't seen the abuses perpetrated by the enforcers of the government.
Where do you live? I would like to go there, because you are definitely not describing the US that I live in.
> I, unlike you, live in a democracy and expect the government to not send goons to intimidate opponents.

How are those two concepts actually related or linked in any way?

I think the point is that democracies are supposed to be able to vote goons out, otherwise it isn't a democracy. In the case of the U.S. though we sort-of voted the goons in, so I'm not sure what that makes us.
A democracy where you can only vote goons out by voting other goons in is still failing at the thing democracies are for.
I think you nailed something. There's a huge chunk of people who believe the US lost its democracy (covid restrictions, #meToo, etc.), and so they voted like they were fighting a war.
> Let's be honest here - what was this person's intentions? A quick Google search of "Xenia Pantos" shows details about this person's life and practice that would place them a political/social enemy of the current U.S. administration's voting base.

You confused honesty and FUD seemingly. The article said they observed ICE activity and gave evidence this sufficed to make them an enemy in the administration's eyes. And their pronouns would make them a social enemy to some. Google showed what? They called their occupational therapy practice neurodiversity-affirming? They liked to sew?

> The ideal world where a citizen exercises their rights crumbles into brutal reality the second one of these interactions being observed becomes physically contentious or violent.

A brutal reality is citizens who did not exercise their rights lost them. And subjects who exercised them together gained them.