[bel8]

From the notes, they seem humble and empathic.

We're lucky to have China imposing competiton to the western AI megacorps.

If it wasn't for China, I would probably have to spend $100/mo on AI instead of $10 like I do currently while using DeepSeek and MiMo (opencode Go plan).

And while I could do so comfortably, I feel for those who can't. It must feel incredibly isolating to only watch others have access to expensive models to leverage their careers.

I hope SoTA AI becomes an universal right because it will contribute to too much income disparity otherwise.

[yeodev]

Ever since I found Opencode Go AI coding is fun. I always hate the feeling of working inside a fenced constraint where if I just go hard enough I suddenly hit a wall and have to pay up a LOT more.

It's crazy how much you get out from Deepseek V4 Flash alone.

[alecco]

> We're lucky to have China imposing competiton to the western AI megacorps.

The second they get a hold of the market, Chinese Big Tech will be as bad or worse than US Big Tech.

We're lucky to have DeepSeek.

[slaw]

In every market China dominates, Chinese products are still inexpensive. Solar panels, batteries, EVs, drones,..

[hsuduebc2]

Because they are subsidized by the Chinese government. This is literally a tactic to destroy global competition.

It's a smart move to make everyone dependent on them.

[throawayonthe]

1. this seems to be based on misconceptions about how the chinese economy works 2. why haven't they done it yet? is the implication that they will wait until they're dominant in some x number of industries worldwide and then... raise prices?

p.s. how would such "subsidization" work on a such a scale? if you think the EVs, PV panels, etc are cheap because the govt like, just covers the loss on every sale(?) where do they get all that surplus finance to cover labour and resources?

have you considered 'subsidies' can be used for accelerating R&D for national interest rather than some monopolistic plot

[T-A]

https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/subsidising-supply-chain-how-...

[deaux]

Yes, they learnt this from the US, who subsidized Uber for _14 years_, Amazon for 9 years and Youtube for many years until they had destroyed global competition and made everyone dependent on them. This is now happening again with Anthropic and OpenAI, of course.

China's subsidies are comparatively much shorter.

[jimbob45]

YouTube has never seriously had competition and AliBaba has been around almost as long as Amazon.

[deaux]

> YouTube has never seriously had competition

While saying this did you not consider that subsidized Chinese companies would claim the exact same, with at least the same amount of legitimacy? The whole idea of monopolization is that it becomes impossible for competition to arise.

You also forgot to mention Uber which has had numerous competitors, both on the taxi front as well as food delivery.

> AliBaba has been around almost as long as Amazon.

No idea why it matters how long a company has existed. There are hundreds of thousands of companies that have been around for 2-3 decades.

[Qhemlomo]

Sooo if youg ive a country cheap solar panels and they save money and make themselfs independent, how is that making them more dependent on China?

And how is that a bad thing in comparision to the current status quo?

Solar panels are not high tech. You can build them yourself as a state in worst case. You cant make oil if you don't have oil.

[manishsharan]

Any evidence to back that up?

[hsuduebc2]

Back what exactly? That China subsided it's domestic companies?

https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/subsidies-and-the-solar...

https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/report...

[gmerc]

Now do Elon

[xyzsparetimexyz]

Fact 1: that's terror Fact 2: that's terror

[shimman]

How is this not any different than US corporations only existing do to hundreds of billions worth of corporate welfare? Good grief, why are American corporations such sore players against actual competition? US elites are absolutely pathetic.

[Qhemlomo]

I see this problem already for me.

I have unlimited tokens at work than i go home what do i do? Spend 200$ per month? No def not.

When Anthropic increased the limits for their 20$ plan, i started again coding with it on a private project and it was fun and i did a lot in that 4 weeks.

[cmgriffing]

Ollama cloud is also a fantastic deal. They also don’t have a monthly limit, just session and weekly.

[cmrdporcupine]

Yep. After yesterday's moves around "Fable 5" even twice as much.

We've had a taste, and damned if I'm going to have the "means of production" snatched from me already?

[genewitch]

approximately how many months/years until there are "illegal models"?

[kennywinker]

You wouldn’t steal a brain

[cmrdporcupine]

... watch me ;-)