[inigyou]

That's how they try to frame them to make you feel less ethically dissonant.

[borski]

It is absolutely true that there are people out in the world who would love it if we had no defense. You can argue (validly) that we have made a lot of poor choices, but it’s definitely defense.

[inigyou]

It's both.

[borski]

Completely agreed.