[someonebaggy]

The opposite is why I'd never be a good web developer. I grew up messing around with PHP and if I spent the time to learn the modern stack, I'd constantly be thinking it's stupid.

[dormento]

I can relate to that.

I recently had to intervene during the latest office holy war to explain that you don't need JS for file uploads.

It was eye opening.

[dotancohen]

I'm in the same boat as you. Today I generally use Laravel for new projects.