[close04]

> I'd never expect an invoice after not putting in a card.

Startups have to innovate to stay alive and YC never discourages this kind of "innovation" if the startup has the potential to turn into big dollars.

[mystraline]

Yep, the "Its not fraud/illegal if you make defense against cost more than just paying the cost".

It turns legitimate enterprises and businesses into quazi-illegal scam engines. Like, health clubs or Adobe scam-subscriptions.