[shevy-java]

> Europeans embrace self-reliance and are clear-eyed about Donald Trump—but do not expect a permanent break from the US.

That's a wrong analysis IMO. I think NATO as it was is completely dead. Europeans need a nuclear arsenal too (french and UK nukes are for those two countries only; that does not protect several hundred millions people). Russia is threatening escalation every day, including using nukes. Europeans need their own nukes here - relying on a corrupt orange man acting like a russian asset, is a losing strategy. Even having another guy act and roleplay as president, won't really change this fundamental problem.

[tim333]

NATO is an alliance of 32 democracies. You have to expect those to elect duff leaders from time to time but the thing goes on.

[soco]

For what is worth, France offered to extend its nuclear umbrella to protect other European countries, offer accepted by 9 countries so far. Okay it's not permanent, doesn't necessary mean deployments in those countries, but still things are moving and the direction is obvious.

[tjpnz]

Europe also needs to be in a position where it can quickly deploy the anti-coercion instrument[0] should a foreign power interfere in elections or threaten territorial integrity. The last time it was on the table didn't give me confidence they could.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Coercion_Instrument

[scihuber]

Russia is already influencing your elections through propaganda.