[solenoid0937]

I use Chinese models (for simple personal projects), they just don't compare to GPT or Opus for any serious work.

I do not know why every Chinese model fan thinks that people that aren't impressed by them simply don't use them.

[SXX]

Wast majority of software engineers do very little except of moving JSONs around and building CRUDs.

It's quite obvious that when you dont try to do something particularly complex there will be literally no difference between GPT, Claude, Gemini and Deepseek.

Fot many things I'm doing in gamedev Gemini 2.5 Pro was already good enough even though it released more than year ago.

Once you pass certain threshold it's just enough.

[Vetch]

What constitutes serious work and how seriously have you tried to do serious work with them? While those trying to claim a 30B dense model can match Opus 4.6 are engaging in either beyond over-excessive over-exaggeration or performing rather routine tasks, it's disingenuous in the other direction to claim the latest open 1T models are not useful for serious work. I find those making such claims have rarely spent more than a few minutes on halfhearted attempts and often on recently obsoleted models.

Openweight models turned a corner around kimi 2.6, deepseek v4 pro/flash, hy3 and mimo 2.5 pro. Similar to how closed LLMs turned a corner around gpt 5.2 and opus 4.5.

While they remain a step behind closed frontier models, for real world tasks ranging across functional reactive programming, distributed systems, mathematical modeling, to-the-millisecond highly optimized spatial data-structures, complex compute shaders and shader effects and non-trivial systems involving parser combinators and algebraic effect systems, I can say that open models have very recently gone from useless to productive. For my work, mimo v2.5 pro is hands down better than sonnet 4.6.