[ethanpil]

Per the "Availability" section of the page, seems like should come back to all plans eventually...

* From today through June 22, Fable 5 is included on Pro, Max, Team, and seat-based Enterprise plans at no extra cost.

* On June 23, we’ll remove Fable 5 from those plans. Using it after that will require usage credits. If capacity allows, we’ll extend the included window.

* After this point—when sufficient capacity allows us to do so—we aim to restore Fable 5 as a standard part of subscription plans. We intend to do this as quickly as we can.

[trueno]

wut in tarnation

[klardotsh]

Coding plans are a (massive) subsidy. We can debate until the cows come home whether western frontier models' API pricing rates are fair, but the coding plans are all heavy discounts below those API rates meant to draw people in and get them hooked (and, ostensibly, to be useful for hobbyists or other lower-usage cases).

It's been discussed at length (on this site, on other sites, on like every blog ever, etc) that, eventually, those subsidies will end, much as the $5-10 Ubers/Lyfts I used to take from the far north end of Chicago into the Loop in 2016 would eventually end once those companies had a footing and didn't need to hook folks.

So - yeah, I mean, a v5 model launching in a year where Anthropic has a rather deeply established market and in a year where AI costs are rising from nearly all providers (sometimes for multiple reasons) seems like exactly the thing I'd expect them to pull the subsidy plug on after a launch teaser.

(Even the open-weight models sometimes do this: for example, OpenCode Zen/Go has a rotating door of free models at any given time that eventually leave the free tier and move into the paid tier once the launch day hype/marketing dies down)

[oblio]

The worst part is that Uber "only" lost about $30bn. AI will probably lose at least $300bn by the time the bubble pops. Which means that the pressure to hook and enshittify will be at least 10x as high.

Also, a fun website: https://isaiprofitable.com/ (thr numbers are probably made up)

[km3r]

Problem with that website/perspective is separating training costs from inference costs. Training is a one time cost, and while it is certainly not something you can completely ignore, it being one time changes the answer to "Is AI profitable?".

That site doesn't list the dozens of companies doing pure inference, and making a profit while doing so.

[oblio]

> That site doesn't list the dozens of companies doing pure inference, and making a profit while doing so.

Are the finances public for any of these companies? I'd love to take a look at them.