[boc]

Yeah same here, Fable on "high" is producing substantially better results than Open 4.8 on xhigh for me and my actual real-world evals today. It "feels" smarter and doesn't use nearly as many tokens running in circles. As a result I've been able to run two large refactors today without hitting the context limit danger zones - it's more expensive but also more efficient. It's been able to find some bugs that Opus missed. Pretty impressive stuff.

[garciasn]

I keep getting this message:

> Fable 5's safety measures flagged this message for cybersecurity or biology topics. They may flag safe, normal content as well. These measures let us bring you Mythos-level capability in other areas sooner, and we're working to refine them. Switched to Opus 4.8. Send feedback with /feedback or learn more

I'm working on an internal tool that does new business prospecting data collection, scoring, etc. This is ridiculous.

[algoth1]

It’s unusable for me due to the refusals. I’m using claude to find patterns in health data

[yakz]

I do some work in laboratory automation and it was quick to refuse the first thing I asked it to do. There wasn't anything spicy in the request, just basic liquid-handling protocol implementation. Their position seems to be that they're too stupid to classify requests safely, and that seems reasonable to me. I'd guess the classifier will improve rapidly.

[5d41402abc4b]

Have you tried locally running qwen?

[mrbuttons454]

Is there a Qwen that I can run locally that is anywhere near these frontier models?

[Der_Einzige]

No, and don't let anyone gas light you into thinking the answer is yes.

[dmd]

Same. I'm working on a set of python and matlab scripts that deals with segmenting MRI images into brain vs skull, and it thinks that's bioterrorism.

[rvnx]

Quite counterproductive to refuse to help on health issues too. If they detect health data, they can add a disclaimer, but not hide the information.

[secult]

You miss the point - by collecting and processing medical data they would fall into a thoroughly regulated industry. Not because they may provide you incorrect data, because they are not allowed to process them.

[fragmede]

What custom prompt do you have set up? If you tell it you're occupation, does it turn helpful? There was a study that if you tell models they tested that you're a patient, it would refuse, but tell it you're a doctor and suddenly it turns helpful.

[garciasn]

According to the model, it’s not the model itself that’s doing this, it’s the harness.

Assuming the model is being “truthful”, CC is just being stupid in its detection mechanism.

[UltraSane]

Anthropic knows it refuses too much, they want to be very cautious to avoid any scandals. I think this is why they want to store all Fable and Mythos chats for 30 days so they can use the data to improve.

[hirako2000]

They want to be very cautious to honour the important doctrine at least until IPO launches: we are so good we are nerf our products.

[fn-mote]

I’m a point where I expect everything I do will be retained indefinitely.

I’m having a really hard time believing some weak reason for a 30 day retention policy.

[girafffe_i]

There’s no way around it? Can’t you obfuscate as generic data and use keys to map to the real data?

[algoth1]

I guess you could even turn everything into numbers, not a bad idea at all!

[5d41402abc4b]

what prompts do you use for this?

[garciasn]

I wonder if it sees Healthcare companies being targeted and that's why it's freaking out; clearly they have some pretty stupid regexes in the harness to detect this sort of shit.

e: I quit the session and went back in. Set it to Fable and told it to continue the last session. It's moving along as if none of that had happened.

How weird.

[throwaway20222]

I wonder if this letter has anything to do with why anything even remotely related to biology is getting flagged.

https://www.wired.com/story/openai-anthropic-letter-ai-biolo...

[andy12_]

I don't know if you are aware, but some people reported in Twitter that Fable 5 may flag the message regardless of content if it knows (from either pretraining knowledge or memories) that you work in either of those fields. I don't know if that's your case.

https://x.com/i/status/2064449457869984035

[iambateman]

I asked a question for my son about how mosquitos carry malaria and Fable was like “ok now hold it right there”

[the__alchemist]

Interesting! I have not used Fable, but so far have not hit trouble. I'm a hobby biologist with a home mol bio lab. It wouldn't answer my questions about LNPs, but so far has been fine for my recombinant DNA workflows, lab techniques, environmental DNA protocols etc. I suspect this may become more difficult!

[LouisvilleGeek]

Same here. It's been rushed for the IPO (in my opinion).

[fragmede]

Or people were quitting their subscription for codex-5.5 and it was beginning to show up in their metrics.

[brookst]

Or development had gotten to a point where they need real world usage to tune product and refusals.

Or Fable’s arch is different enough the allocated clusters of compute targeting a date, and here we are, ready or not.

Or…

[fumar]

Same I am working on music firmware for existing device. I can't proceed as it keeps switching to Opus.

[piokoch]

Obviously, soon, for anything valuable, you will have to buy from Anthropic "special license for biology/security/finance advises".

Question is if there will be any competition in this area...