[happyopossum]

If they’re going to retain any data, they have to allow for possibility of the legal system to require any of it to be used in some legal proceeding at some point.

You can’t tell a judge who’s ordered you to retain something that you can’t because you said you wouldn’t.

[minraws]

This is why secure systems can't log any data.

[rvnx]

The safest is called DeepSeek. Others are just promises, that have to abide by the laws that might require leaking the conversations anyway.