[testing22321]

My roof mount system is saving me $1000 a year in electricity, plus more in natural gas that I I disconnected, and it was $0 of my own money thanks to a grant and interest free loan.

Electricity is pre approved to increase a minimum of 5% a year (it just went up 16% this year for people out of town), so the savings will only increase.

I’ll pocket something like $35k in 25 years for $0. Best investment ever.

I’m in canada in a tight valley where it snows a boatload.

[toasty228]

> it was $0 of my own money thanks to a grant and interest free loan.

Pretty sure it's all tax funded.

Where I am as soon as the government introduced subsidies every single installer jacked their price 2-5x, now they all start right at the threshold at which the subsidies kicks in, amazing... it costs twice as much to the community but "0" to the individual

[teiferer]

> Pretty sure it's all tax funded.

That's too simple of a statement. Sure, govt grants are involved in subsidies for installation and the loan interest. But that thing is then generating electricity, which is what saves them the money.

So it's not "all" tax funded. Some of it is the sun's energy, and that was the whole point.

[bgirard]

Similarly my friend swaps electric cars every couple of years (Volt -> Bolt -> Equinox) bragging about all the discounts and subsidies he's gotten. Maybe it's still beneficial through the used car market but it doesn't feel like an effective subsidy for the government to be handing out.

[baq]

it's a way to get infrastructure built up. the tax dollars pay for bootstrapping of the ecosystem. it's actually smart in principle if you think about it, but obviously there's room for abuse and outright fraud.

[teiferer]

Exactly. Sadly, it gets overlooked how much subsidies nuclear and even oil+gas have received over the years.

Nuclear energy wouldn't even be a thing without heavy govt subsidies. And it keeps needing subsidies. No nuclear plant is economical without subsidies. (The operators admit this themselves.) In contrast, the solar and wind industry is eventually carrying itself without subsidies. In many parts of the world that's already the case since tech and market have matured.

[rjrjrjrj]

Not an exaggeration to say that oil and gas is the most subsidized enterprise in human history.

[alexey-salmin]

The total cost of the French nuclear program since the beginning was estimated at 228 billion euros at 2012 prices, including both research and construction costs.

By that time Germany cumulatively poured around a trilling euros into the green energy and still had coal power plants and 2x the CO2 per capita compared to France.

As of 2026, in Germany 22.5% of electricity still comes from coal and CO2 per capita is still 1.7x of France.

The hard numbers so far are extremely favorable towards nuclear. Roughly speaking you get 1.7x better results at a 1/4 of the cost.

[teiferer]

Using German coal dependence as a baseline statistic to prove that nuclear is more economical than green energy is a remarkable stunt.

[1123581321]

Where do you live? There should still be price competition on types of inverters, aesthetics, focus on highest ROI, etc.

I live in a heavily subsidized state and quotes ranged from (after subsidies/incentives) 5-6 year ROI to 20-25 year ROI.

[testing22321]

> Pretty sure it's all tax funded

Yes. I’m very happy my taxes are spent on things that improve the lives of everyday people rather than endless wars.

Either spend it on productive things, or have zero taxes.

[baal80spam]

It ALWAYS happens.