[CGMthrowaway]

> I think when you're threatening your neighbours and letting dangerous dogs loose on other people's land where there's kids or sheep then authoritarianism is called for.

You jumped straight to authoritarianism? How about trying self-defense?

Boy you really are a Calvinist

[forlorn_mammoth]

The guy who carries a pistol and shoots the neighbor's dogs in self defense, I would expect that guy to face some social consequences and he'd be lucky if it was just the police.

Hobbes. we create the Leviathan so we don't have to constantly act in self defense. The alternative was cold, brutish, and short.

[some_random]

Europeans largely do not believe in the right to self defense