[dijksterhuis]

london is one place in the whole of the uk. might be the big stonking capital city, but it is definitely not representative of the whole of the UK.

late edit copypasta stat from sibling reply with actual national census data instead of cherry picking from the obvious culturally diverse capital city

> "White" remained the largest high-level ethnic group in England and Wales; 81.7% (48.7 million) of usual residents identified this way in 2021, a decrease from 86.0% (48.2 million) in 2011.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/cultural...

80% is a long way off from 50%. and it took 10 years to drop by 5ish percent. in something like 50-60 years us white british people can start moaning about becoming a minority (assuming certain things on average stay the same, or average out over the 50-60 years).

[gib444]

Birmingham (2nd largest city):

1991: 78%

2001: 65%

2011: 57%

2021: 48%

Manchester (3rd largest city):

2001: 74%

2011: 59%

2021: 48%

I can keep going until you get tired

[dijksterhuis]

what would be appreciated is

1. sources for your numbers rather than just random numbers thrown out on the internet

2. not using specific city data, i.e. look at national census-type level data. because if you look at the largest cities in the UK you're going to see effects/changes which are local to those cities, and not nationally applicable. manc/brum are still not representative of the whole country.

You're still cherry picking your statistics, which is how to lie with stats 101 (i did that for a job for 3+ years, i know all the wily tricks dude).

Feel free to keep going, but you'll just be cherry picking more and more un-representative samples until you start using national level census-type data.

[gib444]

I already cited, the data is from the same source: the census.

You're not engaging in good faith at all.

"I want to zoom out until it matches my world view / provide more sources" is bad faith 101. Did you think I'm so naive?

You not willing to discuss the 3 largest cities is absolutely absurd and bad faith. It's akin to sticking your head in the sand.

Zoomed-out stats is how to lie with stats 101. The same happens in crime arguments: eg 'oh it doesn't matter if crime in your local area is rising because UK-wide it's declining'. It's an attempt to cover up issues and it's very obvious